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I'm Ryan Sprague and this is somewhere

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welcome to the premiere episode of

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somewhere in the skies and thank you so

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much for joining me for those of you who

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may have no clue who the hell I am let

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me bring you up to speed

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I had a UFO sighting over the st.

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Lawrence River in upstate New York when

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I was 12 years old it was what we would

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classify as a triangular UFO it hovered

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silently over my head and then headed

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north to the Canadian border

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this sighting terrified me and that

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terror led to an obsession and I've been

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searching for answers ever since I spent

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half my life researching the UFO

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phenomenon and this culminated into my

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book somewhere in the skies a human

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approach to an alien phenomenon I'm

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hoping this podcast will pick up where

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the book left off and I'm hoping you'll

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continue to join me as I discuss UFO

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cases old and new discuss current UFO

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events from around the world and hear

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from guests in various fields of study

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bringing us one step closer to asking

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new questions and possibly even getting

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some answers I have to thank a few

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people who really helped me get this off

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the ground - Micah Hanks and your

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Sanford Nick westmeyer Jason McClellan

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Maureen Elsberry Shannon la grow and Sam

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Sheeran you all guided me on this

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journey and I'm honored to continue

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working with all of you my sincere

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thanks also goes out to author and

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illustrator my cleland for creating the

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logo image you see for the show and the

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Facebook banner thank you so much like

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you're truly a talented individual and I

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have to thank you the listener I want to

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hear your thoughts on what you think of

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the show if you have any guest or topic

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suggestions or a personal story of your

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own you'd like to share you can reach me

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directly by emailing spreg at somewhere

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in the skies calm or visit the website

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somewhere in the skies calm before we

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get started I want to share this audio

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clip with you from a favorite film of

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you've got to get mad you've gotta say

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I'm a human being god damn it

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that was the voice of Peter Finch from

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the 1976 film Network where his

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character

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news anchor Howard Beale proclaims the

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control and the decay of the mainstream

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news meant to be satire the film rings

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nearly true now more than ever as

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24-hour news cycles bombard our eyes and

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ears with biased ideologies and

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corporate corruption there seems to be

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no end in sight but how does this deeply

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troubling issue connect with the UFO

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topic how has the perception of this

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elusive mystery changed and ultimately

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influenced our opinions and beliefs on

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it and where may we be headed as a

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society as the media bias and power

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structures wage a war for our hearts

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minds and our money my guest today is

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noted author and historian Richard Dolan

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Dolan is best known for his two volumes

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of history UFOs and the national

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security state both groundbreaking works

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which together provide the most

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factually complete and accessible

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narrative on the UFO subject he also

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co-authored a speculative book about the

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future ad after disclosure the

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first-ever analysis not only of how UFO

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secrecy might end but of the

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all-important question what happens next

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his most recent book UFOs for the 21st

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century mind provides a fresh treatment

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of the entire subject it asks fresh

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questions and off

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new insights to further our

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understanding of the UFO mystery so

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without further ado let's get to our

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interview with Richard Dolan guys I'm

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super excited and honored to have as my

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first guest on the podcast author and

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historian Richard Dolan I thought it

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appropriate he published my book to have

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him on the actual podcast based around

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that so rich thank you so much for

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joining me today man

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hi Ryan oh it's so I'm so happy to be

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your guest and I didn't realize I was

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going to be your first guest so that's

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even that's even nicer for me but it's a

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it's an honor and I'm happy to be here

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with you well thanks man so well the

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real reason I wanted to have you on as

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the first guest to talk to you today was

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because recently I attended a a

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presentation you gave and I don't really

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want to discuss the UFO reality or

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equestrian I think we're past that at

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this point in some ways but to really

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kind of get a sense of the perception of

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the topic from the mainstream media

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and you recently had a talk called media

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bias in UFO coverage culture policy or

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something else you sort of run us

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through that talk and what it entailed

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absolutely you know I was inspired to do

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this first of all I've always been

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interested in the relationship of media

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mainstream media to the UFO subject I'm

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interested in mainstream media in

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general years ago when I broke into this

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field my first book was published at

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around the same time as another book of

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by man who became a very good friend of

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mine

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Terry Hansen who has since deceased

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Terry wrote a very excellent book of

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classic I would say called the missing

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times subtitled media complicity in the

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UFO cover-up our books were sort of like

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bookends with each other I wrote UFOs in

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the national security state he wrote

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that I was dealing with the political

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aspects of the cover-up and he was

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dealing with the media aspects of the

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cover-up we had a very similar approach

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and we became friends and Terry didn't

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write any other books in this field but

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he did he did some lectures and

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presentations and we always stayed in

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touch until he died

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and I miss him he's an old friend of

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mine and I realized you know his work

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and my work are so compatible and there

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detailed media analysis of the UFO

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subject I thought I would like to do

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what do one for the the Phoenix

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conference the International UFO

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Congress that we did and so that's why I

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did it when you look at media and I

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really wanted to bring his that whole

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approach up-to-date incidentally and

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that's what I tried to do with this a

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couple of things that you notice about

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mainstream media before we even get into

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UFOs is it's interesting because we went

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through the whole election of 20 in 2016

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and now in 2017 and media itself is a

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story we hear everyone talking about

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so-called fake news and and you know

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fake news phenomenon my perspective on

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it is that the corporate mainstream

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media itself is the primary conveyor and

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purveyor of fake news and I say this not

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siding with any one particular political

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party here but I have been looking at

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CNN and MSNBC and Fox and PBS and really

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all of these large corporate dominated

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intelligence community dominated sources

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of news as purveyors of fake news and I

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don't think that I'm simply speaking

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hyperbole I think that there's a lot of

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facts to back this up and I tried to

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present some of those during my talk one

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of the things that was important for me

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is just to mention the people that not

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only is a mainstream media not your

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friend or my friend I mean it lies it

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spins it censors it's owned by just a

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few very powerful corporations it is

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merged with the popular culture

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entertainment industry it cooperates

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with the intelligence community all of

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this is known people often don't

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recognize this I don't pay attention I

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don't know their history but the

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mainstream media has cooperated with us

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intelligence for decades and generations

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still does but it also makes us sick and

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I mean physically it makes us sick it

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and intellectually emotionally it makes

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and this is not just me saying it I mean

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there were mainstream articles

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themselves saying that the selection is

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making us sick literally making us sick

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I have a BuzzFeed article I remembered

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reading and articles in The Guardian and

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elsewhere to talk about how news is bad

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for you

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thought to myself why would it be that

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being an informed person is bad for you

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and of course it's not bad for you or

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for me or for listeners to be informed

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it's not bad at all I just because

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there's an article that says make you

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know news is making me sick so what I

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would I realize is that it's how our

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mainstream corporate media delivers news

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how it packages news how it gives the

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news to us that is actually unhealthy

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for us and of course it is because all

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any intelligent person has to do when

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looking at the news is realize how

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trivial it is how sensational it is how

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it focuses on one bad thing after

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another bad thing without context

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without understanding there have been

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study after study that have shown that

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the more television news a person

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watches the less likely they are to be

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informed about key issues in the world

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the less is it an inverse relationship

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so that's right this is the first time I

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learned this was over a quarter of a

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century ago during the first the Persian

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Gulf War and there was a study study I

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believe it was done out of the

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University of Colorado I'm pretty sure

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that came to that conclusion I said the

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more CNN you watched and it was

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explicitly CNN the less likely you were

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to know where for example Syria was on a

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map okay like basic things about the

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Middle East so so there's that and back

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then they said this is a great failure

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of our journalistic profession I'm

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thinking no actually it's a great

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success the whole point see of TV news

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and a television in general is to sell

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you the viewer to the advertiser and

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that that is the sole point anything

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else is just gravy

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so they'll lure you in by letting you

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think you are being informed because

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people will do want to think they're

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being informed they lure you in by

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entertainment which of course they do

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much more than

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information and toward that end they

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sell you to the advertisers and once we

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realize that's the point of TV I think

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it's a little easier understand so I I

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would start by saying the mainstream

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makes us sick but I think mainstream

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media also makes society's sick

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I think it destabilizes an entire

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societies if we really look at the one

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of the things that I'm very interested

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in these days is a phenomenon of color

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revolution that is constructed

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revolution by intelligence communities

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in conjunction with with the corporate

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media to destabilize entire societies

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Venezuela we've seen it a year or two

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ago in Brazil where we had what was

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called a soft coup against a perfectly

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elected government and they brought in

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Goldman Sachs and the IMF and they're

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running the place but there's one going

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on currently in Macedonia and I

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personally believe that one has been

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going on in the United States in

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opposition to the election of Trump and

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again I say this not as a supporter of

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Trump you said a lot of things in

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particular in the last month that I'm

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very strongly opposed to but the point

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is that mainstream corporate media has

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helped to organize in conjunction with

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US intelligence a social movement and

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and what it has done is it has

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destabilized a society what we've really

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seen in other words is a an effort by

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what people are now calling the deep

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state would have often called a national

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security state as a way to corral a

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politician that they don't think is kind

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of in their in their pen but anyway

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that's an overview of mainstream now

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this is a mainstream media that has also

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dealt with the UFO subject and when we

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we look at that what I try doing is to

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see through the beginning from the 1940s

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onward mainstream media has consistently

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been incredibly hostile to the UFO

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subject what you find is that smaller

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media local media then and now today the

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equivalent would be alternative media

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but back back in the 1940s and 50s and

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60s we're talking newspapers and radio

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primary

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some TV the local media would always be

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more inquisitive and more honest and

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coming covering stories about UFOs and

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flying saucers anyone who goes through

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newspaper clippings of the UFO

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phenomenon over the 40s and 50s will

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find that 90% of the best stories are

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local newspapers local sources but

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mainstream New York Times Washington

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Post no almost never and that has never

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changed so you have an established media

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and established culture that for

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whatever reason we can get into this has

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decided UFOs are not going to exist on

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their pages and they have effectively

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then right up to the present day kept

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UFOs off to the fringe so it's an

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interesting thing so yeah and I think

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what we're looking at my basic analysis

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my conclusion is that it's very obvious

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to see that the UFO phenomenon has been

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an important part of national security

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and an important concern and in that

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lecture and in my career I've often like

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to quote a few particular documents one

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of my favorite ones is a CIA document

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from 1952 in which the director of

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scientific intelligence writes to the

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director of the CIA that these these

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sightings must have immediate attention

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that there are sightings of unexplained

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objects at great altitudes and traveling

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at high speeds near major US defense

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installations

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he said that are of such nature that

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they are not attributable to natural

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phenomena or known types of aerial

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vehicles so you know but one of a number

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of statements in the during the Cold War

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that are very highly classified in which

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this phenomenon clearly is being taken

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seriously and yet our media which is

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supposed to be the watchdog the guardian

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of the Republic really mm-hmm

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completely dropping the ball so then the

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question arises are they doing this

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because of their own journalistic biases

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and they're just bought their biases as

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human beings or is there something else

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going on and what I what I would say is

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that there's something more going on the

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media has explicitly been working in

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conjunction with the intelligence

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community

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we know this in the UFO field through

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something known as the Robertson panel

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we're in early 1953 the last weekend of

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the Truman White House

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the CIA did its own study and debunking

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of the UFO phenomenon it was already a

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rigged game even then right they they

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made it as one of their conclusions to

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work with major media to debunk the

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phenomenon to the public and we also

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know outside of the UFO subject of

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something known as operation Mockingbird

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which I believe I talked about that a

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little bit in the lecture and

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Mockingbird was a CIA coordinated media

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control program it went all through the

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Cold War 1940s 50s 60s 70s where the CIA

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would have journalists on its payroll

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who would report the news in a way that

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the CIA liked it would sometimes make up

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fake stories the CIA would do this they

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normally would make up fake stories

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internationally and let them come to the

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u.s. that was their way of doing it

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safely but they controlled spin they

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controlled editorial policy we're

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talking near Times Washington Post

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particularly and they're always they're

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the leaders but also television CBS did

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a UFO special in the 60s featuring

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Walter Cronkite the great American

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anchorman was a UFO debunking piece that

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was part of the Robertson panel I would

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say part of the whole operation

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Mockingbird I think I look at it all as

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one thing one piece so in other words

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what I'm saying to you and to listeners

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is that mainstream media has never been

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an honest player or relating to the UFO

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phenomenon and it's not an honest player

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relating really to anything political in

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our society and I think no matter what

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once one thinks that their political

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orientation is I think if you do an

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objective study of the media you see

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they are they're working for an agenda

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it's an elite agenda it's an

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intelligence community dominate agenda

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it's a financial community Genda as well

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and that these all really work together

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as a control system back in the six I've

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just wrapped this part up here back in

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the 60s and 70s and 80s Noam Chomsky

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who's still around he's getting up there

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but Chomsky really pioneered this idea

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of

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having to be superior to Soviet

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propaganda back then it was the Cold War

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and the Russians the Communists had this

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very you know prominent propaganda

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system but Chomsky said look you know

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there's maybe a little more obvious but

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but ours is better

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he said Western propaganda really is

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better because it has to be better

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you know the elites in the Soviet Union

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if you were a challenge that system back

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in the olden days fine you just get a

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3:00 a.m. knock on the door and they

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take you off to one of the prisons and

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you wouldn't be seen for a while in the

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US we didn't have they didn't have that

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luxury and so persuasion had to be much

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more insidious much much better and

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indeed as Chomsky argued for years it

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was and is and part of that included

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this illusion of a free press is

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illusion of freedom which in fact is

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much more of a control system than

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anything else and that does include UFOs

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right and what's interesting about that

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too rich is that you know I recently

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spoke to another journalist who covered

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the you know the psychokinetic and ESP

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aspect of what the CIA was doing back

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during the Cold War and this this too

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was an illusion as well while they while

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these phenomena and abilities may be

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real it wasn't even that that they were

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studying it was the impact it had on the

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enemy and their their perception of oh

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the US is this far ahead in this

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quote-unquote psychic warfare we have to

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up the ante as well meanwhile you know

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they're still trying to even figure out

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if this stuff is real while pushing

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another agenda of oh we're already

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bending spoons we're able to shut off

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you know missiles if we so choose to

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through someone's mind its fascinated

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and this could you know correlate to the

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UFO phenomenon as well and as design

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ology that each country or nation has

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and I would add a couple of things to

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that so I've been interested very

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interested from the beginning of my

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study of UFOs in in the remote viewing

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phenomenon the reason I became

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interested way back even in the 90s was

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because I

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learned that there was this thing called

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remote-viewing the CIA and US

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intelligence was doing it and that these

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remote viewers seemed to be in addition

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to other things seeing UFOs all the time

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and I noticed this this is a regular

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thing so I thought well what's going on

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here so I took some time to really study

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remote viewing and I got to know some of

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the leading remote viewers of that

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program I knew Ingo Swann I know Joe

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mcmoneagle and Limpy Kanin and some of

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these other famous remote viewers and I

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I'm not a remote viewer myself but I

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have studied this I can i can say i

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would say confidently that there's a lot

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of things going on in that remote

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viewing program part of it was

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definitely propagandizing against the

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Russians the Soviets thinking you know

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wanting them to know that what are what

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are the American capabilities but part

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of it really was to develop genuine

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espionage capabilities with remote

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viewing and some of these guys were off

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the charts amazing so they were doing

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things that like there was and is

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something genuine and powerful about

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capabilities relating to remote viewing

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this is a real thing and it's not always

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100% accurate and the real problem with

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the remote viewing isn't even getting

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the signal isn't often it's interpreting

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it so like you'll get a you'll get a

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vision of something that turns out to be

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quite accurate but it's if you don't

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really have a context for what you're

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looking at you will interpret it often

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in the wrong way so if from an

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intelligence point of view it's not

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always useful information and it's a hit

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or miss thing scientifically it's

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fascinating but certainly within the

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intelligence community these people were

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doing unbelievable work all through the

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70s and 80s and into the 90s and then of

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course the whole reason we know about it

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I can tell you frankly is that the

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journalist Jim Marrs was writing a an

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expose on it in the mid 90s he Jim Marrs

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was going to be the first author to

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break the story about remote viewing and

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I've spoken to him about this at length

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and his book got stymied

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by his publisher for several years was

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just stuck and in the meantime and they

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said well we just I can't remember the

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excuses they gave him but they they

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effectively put the book on hold and in

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the meantime a guy who many of us I

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think has CIA connections trying to

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remember his name now colleague it'll

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come to me he wrote the book he wrote

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the first remote-viewing book mmm-hmm

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and I was in the mid 90s it'll come to

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me before the end of this and and that

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in that book what he did was he said he

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really played the party line very well

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he later did a book that debunked crop

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circles - round and round in circles but

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anyway what he said was yeah you know

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they did a little bit of this they

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00:23:27,139 --> 00:23:25,169
didn't really know what they were

548
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:27,149
getting they got a couple of hits seems

549
00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:28,440
interesting but they didn't really have

550
00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:31,470
much success with it and that was the

551
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,990
CIA's official story when they came out

552
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:36,480
in the mid 90s they basically they

553
00:23:42,019 --> 00:23:40,470
Declassified it because Jim Marrs was I

554
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:42,029
mean other researchers were about to

555
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:43,830
blow the lid on it it's the only reason

556
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:44,970
I think we really know about remote

557
00:23:48,980 --> 00:23:47,580
viewing officially and they decided to

558
00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:48,990
get out ahead of the story and control

559
00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:51,750
the spin and in that case I mean we're

560
00:23:56,659 --> 00:23:54,659
talking about media here actually the I

561
00:23:58,369 --> 00:23:56,669
think it was Nightline with Ted Koppel

562
00:24:01,749 --> 00:23:58,379
they did a thing on remote viewing and

563
00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:01,759
it was completely in line with the cia's

564
00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:04,230
party line and that's what the

565
00:24:10,419 --> 00:24:07,350
mainstream media does they work hand in

566
00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:10,429
glove with the US intelligence community

567
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:12,750
and now I mean my goodness something

568
00:24:16,879 --> 00:24:14,070
like The Washington Post owned by Jeff

569
00:24:19,369 --> 00:24:16,889
Bezos who owns Amazon we know Amazon

570
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,379
does all cloud computing and storage for

571
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:21,120
the CIA they've got a multi multi

572
00:24:24,619 --> 00:24:22,679
multi-billion dollar contract and it's

573
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:24,629
not just CIA anymore Bezos does the work

574
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:27,960
for the entire US intelligence community

575
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,500
my understanding is so the Washington

576
00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:33,480
Washington Post is owned by a guy who is

577
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,799
deeply in bed with the US intelligence

578
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:40,320
community it's just this is one

579
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,370
connection so anything I didn't mean to

580
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:45,600
turn this around from the remote viewing

581
00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:48,210
but to get back to the media people need

582
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:49,940
to understand

583
00:24:56,860 --> 00:24:54,299
anything that comes through us dominated

584
00:25:01,519 --> 00:24:56,870
establishment media has to be suspect

585
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:01,529
every single thing and people will often

586
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:04,110
ask me well just as great Dolan so you

587
00:25:08,629 --> 00:25:06,090
don't want people to listen to CNN or

588
00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:08,639
read a New York Times or Time magazine

589
00:25:11,869 --> 00:25:10,230
what the heck are we supposed to read

590
00:25:12,919 --> 00:25:11,879
how we are we supposed to get our

591
00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:12,929
information right

592
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:16,950
and I I what's the first thing that I

593
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,240
would say is that we are in a difficult

594
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,080
position every one of us who is a

595
00:25:30,259 --> 00:25:27,539
thinking person with some intellectual

596
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:30,269
interests in this world and we all have

597
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:32,970
to realize there's no way around this

598
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:35,490
that we are surrounded by a very

599
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:39,360
powerful media mind control system and

600
00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:43,350
of story it is and this is not an easy

601
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:48,059
task for us to be educated aware

602
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:51,450
citizens of the world but one thing that

603
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,100
I would encourage people to do is to go

604
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,159
to some truly independent alternative

605
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,559
media sources the kind of thing that

606
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:01,200
you're doing is one good source you know

607
00:26:05,779 --> 00:26:03,690
anything that takes us out of the

608
00:26:07,999 --> 00:26:05,789
corporate establishment mainstream is a

609
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,009
good thing now there's a step there's

610
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:10,440
alternative media that's actually not

611
00:26:16,399 --> 00:26:13,590
that alternative media like BuzzFeed is

612
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:16,409
certainly not alternative media they'll

613
00:26:22,369 --> 00:26:20,970
pander to you know generation the

614
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,379
Millennials and they'll but but that

615
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:24,000
doesn't make them alternatives sorry

616
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:25,620
they're they're actually totally part of

617
00:26:31,879 --> 00:26:27,690
the establishment but there are

618
00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:31,889
alternative their small or media and and

619
00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:34,470
we need to find them I go outside the US

620
00:26:39,259 --> 00:26:37,950
and I have to go to the media that are

621
00:26:42,019 --> 00:26:39,269
they're demonized

622
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:42,029
as so-called fake news because the fact

623
00:26:47,299 --> 00:26:43,769
is that these are the only places that I

624
00:26:47,899 --> 00:26:47,309
find are generally providing information

625
00:26:49,999 --> 00:26:47,909
that are useful

626
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:50,009
I do read my New York Times headlines on

627
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:52,230
my iPhone mm-hmm and all the headlines

628
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,460
that everyone else guess I get CNN

629
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,720
headlines every day and I

630
00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:57,299
I do read CNN story so I know I failed

631
00:27:01,519 --> 00:26:58,710
as part of my job to know what they're

632
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:01,529
saying I read The Washington Post every

633
00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:03,190
day

634
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:07,660
I'm very aware of what mainstream is

635
00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:10,630
saying but I will also read RT that is

636
00:27:17,270 --> 00:27:13,720
formerly Russia today too discussed is

637
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:17,280
by the current CIA director as a tool of

638
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:21,640
Putin's propaganda nonsense I don't

639
00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:24,010
believe that in the least I don't say

640
00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:25,060
that they're right about everything of

641
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:27,340
course but I four news around the world

642
00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:29,350
I will always want to know what they

643
00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:32,200
have to say always every time and I

644
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:33,790
simply go by the quality of analysis

645
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,610
it's always superior I also go to a

646
00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:38,320
Canadian website that's my favorite

647
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:41,950
website for history and politics and

648
00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:44,650
that's called Global Research dot CA and

649
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:47,740
that's run by a man named Michelle shell

650
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:50,410
Sadovsky who is doing what I think Noam

651
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:52,390
Chomsky should be doing but isn't doing

652
00:27:58,350 --> 00:27:53,890
so show Sadowski is doing it he's kind

653
00:28:01,080 --> 00:27:58,360
of like them I think the modern-day the

654
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:01,090
true successor to the Chomsky tradition

655
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:03,490
of a media analysis and political

656
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,770
analysis and so the web website he runs

657
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:07,600
Global Research CA it's run out of

658
00:28:13,290 --> 00:28:10,510
Montreal is uh he has superb

659
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:13,300
commentators in my opinion you know like

660
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:14,890
many of these alternative sites I don't

661
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:16,450
I don't agree with everything that I see

662
00:28:20,790 --> 00:28:18,310
on global research dot CA and I don't

663
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:20,800
agree with everything I read or see what

664
00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:23,590
the take of things in RT but what I find

665
00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:25,420
is that they are a different perspective

666
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:27,430
and usually a much more correct

667
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,660
perspective and a more honest one

668
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:31,360
typically right yeah and I mean the

669
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:33,880
mainstream yeah yeah and I mean do your

670
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:36,850
research people I mean it sort of brings

671
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:39,310
me back to another journalist friend of

672
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:42,370
mine who introduced me to the lyrics of

673
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:44,260
a Dead Kennedys song and it's quote

674
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:46,690
don't hate the media become the media so

675
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:48,400
things like what the penalties isn't

676
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:49,750
that awesome

677
00:28:57,420 --> 00:28:55,030
and how long ago was that 1980 so if you

678
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:57,430
need 79 yeah a long time ago so this

679
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:00,250
idea of you know not only disinformation

680
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:03,070
but media bias and everything that

681
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:04,870
follows has been going on for a while

682
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:08,470
guy he's the other thing that I do and

683
00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:10,870
this is just a lifelong advantage I've

684
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:12,520
given myself is that I've just studied

685
00:29:16,410 --> 00:29:14,290
history non-stop I still study history

686
00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:16,420
non-stop on my Kindle reader in my

687
00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:16,870
downtown

688
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:18,309
I'm reading some old history book from

689
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:21,730
hundred years ago so I mean for me in

690
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:24,790
other words I have I've developed a good

691
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:28,710
perspective on history and politics and

692
00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:33,370
so I mean I just know that there are

693
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:34,840
certain patterns that have existed in

694
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:37,240
our world and I've developed a good

695
00:29:40,049 --> 00:29:38,650
historical foundation I don't know how

696
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:40,059
to tell someone you there's no way to

697
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:42,040
get these things quickly right you know

698
00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:43,960
if someone someone's living the CNN

699
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:46,150
reality if they have that on their TV

700
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,260
the first thing I would tell people is

701
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:49,600
just turn that stuff off it's like

702
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:52,600
someone who's drinking cans of coke

703
00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:55,210
every day or Pepsi and they want to be

704
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:56,500
healthy I'd say the first thing you have

705
00:30:00,000 --> 00:29:57,730
to do is stop drinking that stuff

706
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:00,010
because your place your toxifying your

707
00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:02,110
body your system all that sugar it will

708
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:03,820
it will literally kill you I know a man

709
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:06,510
who actually I'm convinced died of this

710
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:09,850
I think it gave him a mess he drank 10

711
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:11,620
plus cans of coke a day I mean it was

712
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:15,250
just absurd and it's the same with news

713
00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:17,920
you know we talk about we have faked it

714
00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:19,540
we have more than fake news in our world

715
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:24,760
we have fake food yeah big fake politics

716
00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:26,170
we have every everything that we

717
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:28,120
honestly I think when we look around we

718
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:29,890
have a almost a fake environment in many

719
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:32,290
ways but we definitely have fake food

720
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:35,350
and fake news and so the first thing you

721
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:37,179
have to do is you have to stop bringing

722
00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:39,340
the poison in that's a little number

723
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:41,020
ones you have to stop what CNN you have

724
00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:42,580
to stop with New York Times I mean truly

725
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:46,150
stop and I'll just I'll just do this as

726
00:30:49,169 --> 00:30:47,770
an aside I don't we get into a whole

727
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:49,179
Hillary Trump thing I mean we're getting

728
00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:51,400
kind of past that anyway but I will say

729
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,980
this I was a fan of neither of those

730
00:30:57,299 --> 00:30:56,080
candidates I was one of the people had a

731
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:57,309
Bernie sign in front of my house oh

732
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:58,530
that's you

733
00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:01,360
okay I might lose or gain some listeners

734
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:04,780
but that's okay you know I would say to

735
00:31:10,169 --> 00:31:08,470
people I was not a fan of either of the

736
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:10,179
candidates I said joke and say I felt

737
00:31:13,169 --> 00:31:11,590
like I'm in the Wild West with two

738
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:13,179
gunslingers shooting at me whatever

739
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:17,110
wherever I go they're shooting but what

740
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:19,510
what I noticed objectively is simply

741
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:22,090
that the establishment media was very

742
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:23,650
very clear as to who they wanted in it

743
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:29,290
was obvious 95% plus literally 95% plus

744
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:30,460
of media establish

745
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:31,660
Vince wanted Hillary Clinton in the

746
00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:35,350
White House and the reason was obvious

747
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:38,500
to me it was obvious because she she was

748
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:40,330
basically a continuation of the neocon

749
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:44,070
the neoconservative neoliberal doctrine

750
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:46,510
where a Trump who's now fulfilling all

751
00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:47,950
of those things that Hillary talked

752
00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:48,940
about by the way he's completely

753
00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:51,340
switched over but as a candidate Trump

754
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:53,020
was not on board with that and Hillary

755
00:31:57,390 --> 00:31:54,580
was so she was the establishment

756
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:57,400
candidate it was obvious you know she's

757
00:32:01,560 --> 00:31:58,330
the one who went to the Bilderberg

758
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:01,570
meeting in 2008 that was her she's the

759
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:03,670
one who's worked with the system her

760
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:05,920
whole career and she was a team player

761
00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:08,770
and so all corporate media wanted her on

762
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:12,400
board and knowing that was the the

763
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:14,680
biggest mark against her in my book

764
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:18,070
personally that there is this lying meet

765
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:20,950
mainstream I mean it's it astonish me or

766
00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:24,190
all of my friends I'm someone who I

767
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:25,720
guess would identify as having been on

768
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:28,270
the left my whole life until this last

769
00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:29,710
year I don't know what to think of the

770
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:32,380
left anymore but my friends on the left

771
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:34,570
none of them trust the CIA

772
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:36,310
none of them tell me they trust the

773
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:38,710
media until this last year when they all

774
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:42,190
trust the CIA yeah like what happened to

775
00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:43,870
you people what happened to my friends

776
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:46,150
they they all believe that a Trump was

777
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:48,130
an agent of Putin and Satre net live did

778
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:49,360
the whole thing the Trump Putin thing

779
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:55,110
seriously anyway I feel like the media

780
00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:58,090
does create sickness in our society this

781
00:33:04,110 --> 00:32:59,860
actually might be a further study of

782
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:04,120
mine I learned from a close friend of

783
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:07,300
mine who when people go into therapy the

784
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:09,100
first thing one of the first things a

785
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:11,020
good therapist will say to them if

786
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:12,130
they're dealing with anxiety and stress

787
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:15,010
and so on is are you watching television

788
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:17,470
news or are you eating news and if you

789
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:21,610
are stopped yeah so and again this goes

790
00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:23,500
back to the idea that the media does

791
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:25,960
kind of make us sick and but it's not

792
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:29,560
all news you know I feel that being an

793
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:32,440
informed person does not make us sick it

794
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:35,230
hasn't made me sick I feel I feel great

795
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:37,030
last thing I were saying the media and I

796
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:38,230
know you probably want to switch gears

797
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:41,740
is for people who are not still

798
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:43,900
believing this I would tell them to

799
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:46,210
get knowledgeable of a couple of really

800
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:48,490
prominent recent media whistleblowers

801
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:50,650
there's a later than a big fan of named

802
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:53,590
Amber Lyon three-time Emmy Award winner

803
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:55,710
journalist she was with CNN for years

804
00:34:00,480 --> 00:33:58,450
back in 2011 she reported on the Arab

805
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:00,490
Spring and then she just got sick of it

806
00:34:04,350 --> 00:34:02,110
she said I can't do this anymore and she

807
00:34:09,419 --> 00:34:04,360
just says look governments are paid up

808
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:09,429
paying us to create fake news and she

809
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:11,260
talked she when she did the Arab Spring

810
00:34:16,409 --> 00:34:13,510
back in 2011 she just said CNN was

811
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:16,419
routinely paid by the US government and

812
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,669
by foreign governments to selectively

813
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:20,800
report on certain events and to make up

814
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:23,290
fake news stories and anyone has gone

815
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:25,480
into this at all would make CNN news I

816
00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:27,370
mean there's a wealth of information to

817
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,080
look for there's another man who I'm a

818
00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:32,320
big big fan of recently died as chairman

819
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:35,860
german journalist named dr. Arata and

820
00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:38,770
he's on youtube you can find him he

821
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:40,600
talks about how you know we all lie for

822
00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:44,159
the CIA mm-hmm he was doing stories back

823
00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:47,139
2010-2011 he said the CIA would write

824
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:49,389
this is he said all all European news is

825
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:51,100
controlled by the CIA they would

826
00:34:56,390 --> 00:34:54,460
literally write stories that he would

827
00:34:59,550 --> 00:34:56,400
have to put his byline to on Libya on

828
00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Muammar Qaddafi in that case and he said

829
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,570
if I if I didn't comply I would have

830
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:03,520
just lost my job but they would write

831
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:05,800
the stories my name would be on it and

832
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:07,240
it would be these all these hit pieces

833
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:10,390
propaganda pieces that as your team and

834
00:35:13,950 --> 00:35:12,250
European journalism and then I'm a big

835
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:13,960
fan of the lading sharyl Attkisson

836
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:17,560
former CBS News and she's out there

837
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:19,810
she's given TED talks I believe and she

838
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:22,420
talks about like astroturfing which is a

839
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:24,700
very important phenomenon basically

840
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:28,290
faking your data to promote yourself

841
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:31,990
astroturf thing happens on Wikipedia she

842
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:33,790
calls an astroturf Furze dream come true

843
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:38,920
as Wikipedia but how the news around us

844
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:41,890
is is very deliberately falsified right

845
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:43,900
so there's a lot of information on this

846
00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:48,940
out there too much to be honest but I'm

847
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:51,580
so happy you're able to steer us towards

848
00:35:57,570 --> 00:35:54,390
some some sources that we can actually

849
00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:57,580
write nothing thank

850
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:01,000
nothing is certain and no source not Ark

851
00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:03,310
I talk about RT in global research look

852
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:05,860
I like them very much I find that they

853
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:08,560
give me a leg up against people who

854
00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:11,590
follow the mainstream that's for sure

855
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:17,380
but that nothing is certain I mean what

856
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:19,810
we all have to do is we have to use our

857
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:23,050
brain we have to think and it's you know

858
00:36:27,570 --> 00:36:25,510
there's no magic formula I'm sorry to

859
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:27,580
say this to people there's no sure-shot

860
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:29,950
way to say oh for sure

861
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:32,800
read this site don't go there but we

862
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:34,750
have to do though is understand first

863
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:36,870
and foremost that we are part of a

864
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:40,030
control system and I think once we get

865
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:43,270
that we can begin a process and it can

866
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:45,610
take years for some people depending on

867
00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:48,190
how far into the system they are you

868
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:49,630
know it's not as easy like in the matrix

869
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:51,970
where you just take the red pill and all

870
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:55,210
is revealed I wish it were that easy we

871
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,580
are peeling the deception away by layer

872
00:37:03,810 --> 00:36:59,920
after layer after layer and it does take

873
00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:03,820
time and it's emotionally difficult you

874
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:05,140
know I'm doing research on false flags

875
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:07,990
these days and what I've definitely

876
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:10,540
learned is that one reason false flags

877
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:13,300
are so successful is because they

878
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:16,510
combine our our emotion with our mind so

879
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:18,310
the trauma of a false flag which is

880
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:22,060
always horrible you know tears at us

881
00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:26,140
emotionally and and then what makes them

882
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,180
effective is that the authorities will

883
00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:29,680
come in immediately with a narrative

884
00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:32,440
that appeals to our intellect and so the

885
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:34,180
intellect is kind of married to the

886
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:35,830
emotion the mind and the heart become

887
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:39,460
one and once we accept that explanation

888
00:37:44,910 --> 00:37:42,730
from the authorities it becomes wedded

889
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:44,920
to the trauma and it becomes very very

890
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:47,260
difficult if not impossible for most

891
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:49,300
people to question that intellectual

892
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:52,600
explanation false flags work on this

893
00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:55,930
very devious way that they use this

894
00:38:01,620 --> 00:37:59,170
manipulation it's very effective so for

895
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,630
and it doesn't work simply with false

896
00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:02,800
Flags it works with all forms of

897
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:05,830
propaganda people buy into something and

898
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:07,600
the longer and longer you buy into

899
00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:08,980
something the harder and harder it is to

900
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:10,220
buy out

901
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:12,600
absolutely I couldn't put it better

902
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:17,370
myself well in terms of love it or hate

903
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:21,570
it rich um a lot of people are into this

904
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:23,160
movement and that's the idea of

905
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:25,290
disclosure I'm getting back to the UFO

906
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:25,860
talk

907
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,420
oh yes MIT and you recently looked into

908
00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:32,760
you came out with a small publication

909
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,340
about UFOs and disclosure and the Trump

910
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,560
era no I just want to briefly touch on

911
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:39,240
this because we could talk about this

912
00:38:47,090 --> 00:38:43,290
forever but this idea that you know we

913
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:47,100
have a a POTUS who is not afraid to

914
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:49,170
tweet at 3:00 a.m. in the morning so

915
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,770
writing about anything so in terms of

916
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:55,440
the UFO question some people think that

917
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,220
this may be the time that we get a tweet

918
00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:01,200
in the morning about what happened in

919
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,360
ronzo I mean that's going a little far

920
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:06,000
but I was one of the first people I

921
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:07,410
think the to just put that little idea

922
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:08,820
out there and I almost did it

923
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,360
whimsically I wrote a piece on Trump and

924
00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:14,640
disclosure the day after he got elected

925
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:18,030
I remember when yeah when the world when

926
00:39:24,980 --> 00:39:21,900
most of the the I guess the liberal the

927
00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:24,990
left world was going into some serious

928
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:27,360
serious serious trauma over that

929
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,420
election and certainly in the UFO fields

930
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,640
there were a lot of folks you know our

931
00:39:37,330 --> 00:39:34,800
friend Stephen Bassett and grant Cameron

932
00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:37,340
for two of them really believed that

933
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:39,800
Hillary Clinton was the disclosure

934
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:42,420
candidate I mean fast Bessette

935
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,910
absolutely believed that actually he

936
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:46,680
believed furthermore that Obama would do

937
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:50,430
it before the end of the his term I for

938
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:51,870
my part I publicly stated many times

939
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:53,070
that I did not believe that that would

940
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:55,560
happen but we all thought Hillary

941
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:58,140
Clinton would win I certainly thought

942
00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:59,460
she was going to go I thought was a done

943
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:01,170
deal frankly the whole system was just

944
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:03,470
rigged on her behalf that was my opinion

945
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:05,730
anyway so when Trump got elected I

946
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:07,380
thought well let's just take a look at

947
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:10,530
this situation this was a guy who at

948
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,650
least particularly at that time there's

949
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:15,180
been a struggle going on since then and

950
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:17,810
we need to talk about this but Trump

951
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:23,800
seems like a guy who he's not he

952
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:26,200
a disruptor he's a disruptor and no

953
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:29,110
matter how one looks at him he he's

954
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:31,300
staring up the pot a bit and he was

955
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:33,550
saying things this whole as a candidate

956
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:34,750
you know let's make friends with Russia

957
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:37,030
this is a big thing and he got reamed

958
00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:39,130
for this by him all sides of the

959
00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:40,600
political spectrum it was astonishing to

960
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:43,480
watch and then his anti-globalist thing

961
00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:45,910
was was very clearly against the the

962
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:48,820
main current so I thought this is a guy

963
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:51,700
who's become an enemy of big parts of

964
00:40:56,610 --> 00:40:53,050
the national security apparatus it's

965
00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:56,620
obvious and you know I never thought

966
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:58,030
Hillary Clinton would be a disclosure

967
00:41:03,150 --> 00:40:59,410
candidate because I saw her as the

968
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,160
consummate insider Trump it's not the

969
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:05,160
same type of insider and I thought I

970
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:07,690
said you're still more likely to win get

971
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:09,070
him getting a lottery ticket than

972
00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:11,470
waiting for a Trump disclosure and I

973
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:13,660
think even more strongly that now but I

974
00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:16,090
thought actually this man's personality

975
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:20,080
is such that he actually might do a 3

976
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:21,790
a.m. tweet he do you say you could just

977
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:23,470
imagine him saying something like

978
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,440
everyone knows UFOs are real oh and the

979
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:29,680
funny thing about Trump is like could

980
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:31,870
you imagine unlike with Obama like if a

981
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:34,570
bomb were to do a disclosure of UFOs had

982
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:36,670
he done so I think there would have been

983
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:39,190
a much higher like people would have

984
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:41,140
been like oh my god I can't believe it

985
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:44,260
Trump who's gonna believe him like think

986
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,820
there's a lot of folks who would just

987
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:48,640
say this man is you know certifiably

988
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:51,330
insane and people think that all ready

989
00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:56,230
to do a disclosure of UFOs seriously

990
00:42:02,130 --> 00:41:57,580
this would be a real problem I don't I

991
00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:02,140
think I think would be very difficult

992
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:04,870
for him and when I when I published this

993
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:06,490
booklet it's about a hundred pages long

994
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:10,660
it's just under you know it was already

995
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:12,430
evident to me I wrote I published it in

996
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:14,620
March about a month ago it was already

997
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:19,030
clear that he was losing his if it was a

998
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:21,070
battle with the deep state he was losing

999
00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:22,930
it even by mid March like it was obvious

1000
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:26,140
to me that he was on the he'd been out

1001
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:28,210
outmaneuvered completely outmaneuvered

1002
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:30,550
so that any reform of the intelligence

1003
00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:31,630
community was not going to happen

1004
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:33,700
because they took out Michael Flynn like

1005
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:35,350
immediately he was the only person who

1006
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:36,160
could have done it

1007
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:37,990
of the intelligence community he was the

1008
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:41,140
first one out in that kind of a specious

1009
00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:44,650
Russia thing there so all of all the

1010
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:46,300
loyal people around him he's basically

1011
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:47,830
surrounded by council on foreign

1012
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:49,480
relations people globalists that's

1013
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:51,310
they've taken over they've got him

1014
00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:53,740
so by mid-march it was evident to me

1015
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:01,780
that it's unlikely but nonetheless we're

1016
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:03,250
in a situation where there's a kind of

1017
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:06,190
covert war going on a war of leaks for

1018
00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:08,050
example all of these leaks that we're

1019
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:11,620
seeing against and against Trump and

1020
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:14,770
against other people are signs that the

1021
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:17,890
intelligence community is fighting

1022
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,760
itself so in that type of a situation

1023
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:23,440
it just seemed me there's enough

1024
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:26,470
instability that there could be some

1025
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:30,310
accidental or who knows what someone

1026
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:31,270
might say what the heck just an

1027
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,640
intentional putting this information out

1028
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:35,760
there I don't think that that's likely

1029
00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:40,560
but but I will say in my own observation

1030
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:43,780
over political history over the past 50

1031
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:46,350
plus years during times of great

1032
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:50,770
instability in many nations it can

1033
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:53,980
happen that UFO data leaks out and comes

1034
00:43:58,770 --> 00:43:55,960
out particularly when there's regime

1035
00:44:00,270 --> 00:43:58,780
changed and when Mao died in China this

1036
00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:00,280
happened over there when the Soviet

1037
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:02,350
Union broke apart it happened very much

1038
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:04,390
so there after Watergate in our own

1039
00:44:08,010 --> 00:44:05,950
society we strengthen our Freedom of

1040
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,020
Information Act which led to a great

1041
00:44:12,570 --> 00:44:10,240
release of UFO information in Spain

1042
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:12,580
after the dictator Franco died in the

1043
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:14,890
70s it led to a release of UFO data

1044
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,770
there so when there's instability in the

1045
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:20,560
system things come out and that includes

1046
00:44:25,710 --> 00:44:23,610
UFO data we are in a very unstable

1047
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:25,720
political situation here in the United

1048
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:29,620
States and so for that reason I could

1049
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:32,230
see something unexpected something

1050
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:34,990
accidental happening I'm not I don't say

1051
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:38,190
bet on it I I don't think there's ever a

1052
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:40,600
year where it's a good bet but there are

1053
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:41,650
some years where it might be better than

1054
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:42,540
others

1055
00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:45,940
absolutely the harder you shake the more

1056
00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:48,700
that's going to come out but who knows

1057
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:50,349
what's gonna happen the thing that I try

1058
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:52,150
to look at in this booklet of mine is

1059
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,450
the international situation you know

1060
00:45:00,089 --> 00:44:57,420
people for years what would ask me well

1061
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:00,099
sure there's a UFO cover-up in the

1062
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:01,150
United States but what about other

1063
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:02,980
countries what about what about Britain

1064
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:04,510
what about Brazil what about Russia what

1065
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:06,760
about India and it's true you know we're

1066
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:09,849
in a big world so what is it about these

1067
00:45:15,089 --> 00:45:12,070
other nations that allows for this

1068
00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:15,099
phenomenon to be secret and I really do

1069
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:19,300
try in this booklet to deal with that

1070
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:21,910
issue and one of the things that I point

1071
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:26,560
out is excuse me is that you know

1072
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:27,790
although the United States isn't the

1073
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,020
only nation and the world it is still

1074
00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:32,079
the dominant nation in the world by far

1075
00:45:41,609 --> 00:45:37,660
and there are only a handful of nations

1076
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:41,619
that are outside of predominant

1077
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,680
preeminent US influence alright there's

1078
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,200
only a few so the u.s. runs all of the

1079
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:48,640
NATO countries which are very powerful

1080
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:52,450
the US has dominant influence over most

1081
00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:56,200
of Central and South America the US has

1082
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:00,190
a very strong influence over most of the

1083
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:03,130
significant nations in the Far East

1084
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:05,849
we're talking Japan South Korea

1085
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:10,030
Southeast Asia Australia obviously there

1086
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:14,410
are only a few significant nations that

1087
00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:16,810
are still outside US control we're

1088
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,589
talking Russia

1089
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:19,359
first and foremost China those two big

1090
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:25,089
ones Iran North Korea Syria although

1091
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:27,220
Syria is you know the whole point is to

1092
00:46:32,849 --> 00:46:30,130
make Syria cave but those those are some

1093
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,859
of the the key nations and really of

1094
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:35,920
those don't the two big ones obviously

1095
00:46:42,059 --> 00:46:40,359
are Russia and China because of the 200

1096
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,069
or so and sovereign nations that exist

1097
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:44,079
on this planet only only a handful maybe

1098
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:47,140
maybe 20 have a military intelligence

1099
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:49,450
community that's significant enough that

1100
00:46:57,569 --> 00:46:53,650
would allow them to have a real

1101
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:57,579
capability in dealing with UFO data in a

1102
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,380
significant way this is my opinion I

1103
00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:02,560
mean most nations you know 90% of global

1104
00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:05,740
military spending is wrapped up with the

1105
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:09,820
top 15 20 nations mm-hmm and so it's

1106
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:12,010
those nations that really we have to

1107
00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:13,870
look at in terms of UFO secrecy the

1108
00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:15,580
other nations I think I don't really

1109
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:16,900
think they have enough knowledge or data

1110
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:19,900
or ability to have any like they

1111
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:21,490
wouldn't be able to disclose the UFO

1112
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:24,040
reality and of the top 20 the u.s.

1113
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:28,750
controls you know 17 18 of them only

1114
00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:31,300
Russia and China are not in there so we

1115
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:32,620
really are looking at Russia and China

1116
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:34,270
for the international scene as far as

1117
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:37,390
the wild cards go and I see them as very

1118
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:39,220
conservative generally speaking they're

1119
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:41,770
conservative nations they don't want

1120
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:43,630
they're not interested in shaking things

1121
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:45,490
up in a dramatic way and plus they're

1122
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:48,520
both heavily dependent on hydrocarbons

1123
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:52,240
gas and oil to me I've looked at UFO

1124
00:47:57,330 --> 00:47:54,790
disclosure always is something that has

1125
00:48:00,060 --> 00:47:57,340
energy implications I feel that it has

1126
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:00,070
to because once an acknowledgement of

1127
00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:04,930
UFOs is made how long will it take

1128
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:07,150
people to realize oh wow so wait a

1129
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:09,730
minute if they're real I assume they're

1130
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:12,930
not using high-octane petroleum right

1131
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:15,190
whatever it is it's better than what

1132
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:17,950
we're using and so implicit in the UFO

1133
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:20,890
disclosure I've always felt is a post

1134
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:22,810
petroleum society and that's I can't

1135
00:48:28,110 --> 00:48:24,730
think of anything more revolutionary in

1136
00:48:29,790 --> 00:48:28,120
our infrastructure than that and I don't

1137
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:29,800
think Russia and China are any more

1138
00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:32,800
interested in rocking that boat than the

1139
00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:34,420
US power structure right at least right

1140
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:38,620
now so I see a great deal of stability

1141
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:42,250
coming from those countries although I

1142
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:43,510
would actually if there was to be a

1143
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,950
disclosure I would probably almost

1144
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:46,720
prefer that the Chinese or Russians do

1145
00:48:52,350 --> 00:48:50,530
it ahead of the Americans right because

1146
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:52,360
I think the Americans are just theirs

1147
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:54,490
they've been lying for so long and

1148
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:56,310
they've been running this for so long

1149
00:49:00,510 --> 00:48:58,930
we've got to get over the idea I mean

1150
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:00,520
I'm an American I love America I study

1151
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:03,160
American history every day but America

1152
00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:05,050
is not not the good guy in this battle

1153
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:07,990
right and you know capitalization is

1154
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:12,070
always an issue with this even if you

1155
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,990
know the

1156
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:15,240
reality of UFOs were to be given to the

1157
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,540
public and then that you know let's say

1158
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:20,880
free energy or whatever whatever the

1159
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:24,140
hell these things use this propulsion

1160
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,660
you know how how long will it take for

1161
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:29,880
the government which is a very broad

1162
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:33,119
term to uh control and contain that to

1163
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:34,770
capitalize off of it you know what I

1164
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:38,970
mean from crude oil to free energy I'm

1165
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:42,660
sure there's some sort of plan or agenda

1166
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:45,930
in action to when if and when that day

1167
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:48,930
comes say our oil resources completely

1168
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:51,390
deplete how will they make the most

1169
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:54,210
money off of this new form of energy you

1170
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:55,200
let's stay with this thought for a

1171
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:56,250
minute it's really an interesting

1172
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:58,170
thought so there's monetizing the

1173
00:50:02,060 --> 00:49:59,640
technology which I agree with you

1174
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:02,070
completely has got to be key and then

1175
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,730
the other concern so what will it as far

1176
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:08,760
as monetizing I mean I wonder if it's

1177
00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:10,380
possible that they haven't figured out a

1178
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:14,550
an accurate good way to monetize this so

1179
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,650
and that might be the real problem for

1180
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:18,960
example you know there are stories and

1181
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,790
rumors and I don't really know if this

1182
00:50:27,550 --> 00:50:22,800
is the truth but you know back when

1183
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:27,560
Tesla was working on his his energy

1184
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:31,920
transmitter at Wycliffe and Wardenclyffe

1185
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:35,190
anything right and it and and JP Morgan

1186
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,650
was financing him and and Tesla's lab

1187
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:42,780
was burned down and everyone suspected -

1188
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:44,100
JP Morgan had a hand in it probably

1189
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,130
probably did Morgan was a devious

1190
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:48,960
canasta of the universe in his day and

1191
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:50,670
the real creator by the way of the

1192
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:51,960
modern military industrial complex

1193
00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:53,730
incidentally he did it during World War

1194
00:51:01,880 --> 00:50:57,030
one and he he ran the whole thing but

1195
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:01,890
the point is Morgan could very well have

1196
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:03,510
have destroyed Tesla's work because he

1197
00:51:07,310 --> 00:51:05,270
couldn't see how to monetize it I mean

1198
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,320
you know every we're all working off of

1199
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,020
oil and gas back then especially oil so

1200
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:13,500
and today how would you monetize free

1201
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,260
energy if it's if it's literally or

1202
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:19,920
nearly literally free you know to give

1203
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,430
people a tremendous amount of energy

1204
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,660
you're not gonna make as much money off

1205
00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:26,460
of it you just won't

1206
00:51:30,970 --> 00:51:28,230
and so that's a real problem and we are

1207
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:30,980
living in a world that is dominated by

1208
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:34,140
the extraction of hydrocarbons from the

1209
00:51:38,839 --> 00:51:36,210
ground and that's the physical control

1210
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:38,849
over the oil and natural gas is what

1211
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:41,550
dominates u.s. policy that is what it is

1212
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:44,220
all about it's 98 99 percent of US

1213
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:47,400
policy is control over oil and natural

1214
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:50,430
gas and not just physical oil but the

1215
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,960
sale of oil through Petro dollars the

1216
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:53,640
whole petro dollar system is the

1217
00:51:58,220 --> 00:51:56,609
foundation of US policy that is forcing

1218
00:52:02,000 --> 00:51:58,230
oil-producing regions to sell their oil

1219
00:52:03,380 --> 00:52:02,010
in u.s. dollars the petro dollar system

1220
00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:03,390
is starting to break down Russia and

1221
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:07,320
China are breaking it down Saddam broke

1222
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:08,940
out of it in 2000 and that's why the

1223
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:12,330
u.s. invaded Iraq back then but the

1224
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:15,030
system is inevitably breaking but but

1225
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:18,510
with free energy you know monetizing

1226
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,760
this oil and gas would be I'm not excuse

1227
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,960
me monetizing the new form of energy

1228
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,000
would be very problematic and then the

1229
00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:26,520
other aspect of free energy that might

1230
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,260
be possibly even more problematic is

1231
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:33,359
energy gives you and to me and all the

1232
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:37,310
listeners a tremendous amount of power

1233
00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:40,050
figuratively and literally if we had a

1234
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:44,550
free energy device right not only could

1235
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,520
you be independent of your electrical

1236
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:48,780
you know you go off the grid essentially

1237
00:52:56,829 --> 00:52:52,380
you wouldn't you don't need your utility

1238
00:52:58,579 --> 00:52:56,839
company and you're not dependent on that

1239
00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:58,589
critically important thing for your

1240
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:01,710
survival it would be possible if someone

1241
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:04,130
had an independent source of energy

1242
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:06,510
literally to go off the grid and to go

1243
00:53:09,859 --> 00:53:08,550
out into the desert somewhere and you

1244
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,869
could create your own house and you

1245
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:11,280
could create your own energy system you

1246
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:15,210
could you could you know synthesize your

1247
00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:17,490
own water through from the air I mean

1248
00:53:22,579 --> 00:53:20,060
with energy everything is solvable

1249
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,589
everything is fixable with sufficient

1250
00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:24,720
energy and so what that does is it gives

1251
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,660
people freedom a lot of freedom from the

1252
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:30,180
system from Authority and I've got to

1253
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:32,310
assume people at the top are not

1254
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:34,170
interested the other problem with free

1255
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:38,520
energy is that there is a danger human

1256
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:39,900
beings are dangerous we're not nice

1257
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:40,270
people

1258
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:45,610
individually you and I on a good day

1259
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:48,340
we're nice but overall if you give

1260
00:53:54,810 --> 00:53:52,840
people infinite freedom we often become

1261
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:54,820
very very dangerous and very very awful

1262
00:54:00,090 --> 00:53:58,690
yeah and so what if with this free

1263
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:00,100
energy you not only could you heat your

1264
00:54:04,170 --> 00:54:01,690
house forever for free but you can make

1265
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:04,180
a really nifty bomb

1266
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,130
what if we're using something like

1267
00:54:11,370 --> 00:54:08,400
zero-point energy if that's the solution

1268
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:11,380
you you know I remember reading a

1269
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:13,030
statement by doctor how put off whoo I

1270
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:17,260
know how physicist he was very much in

1271
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:18,670
the forefront of zero-point energy

1272
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:21,370
research and he once speculated you know

1273
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,290
what if there's enough energy and his

1274
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:24,400
cup of coffee to blow up half the

1275
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:27,340
Pacific Ocean and and he wasn't joking

1276
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:29,550
like he doesn't know that there is but

1277
00:54:33,390 --> 00:54:32,110
theoretically it could be the amount of

1278
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:33,400
energy in zero point could be

1279
00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:35,320
insignificant or it could be

1280
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:38,680
unbelievably vast and what if a free

1281
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:42,130
energy solution allows for tremendous

1282
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:43,930
extraction of energy or production of

1283
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:47,110
energy that would be very destructive

1284
00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:49,720
and so now we're letting loose genie out

1285
00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:51,820
of the bottle that could be a very

1286
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:55,300
dangerous one and so this is one one

1287
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:56,710
area where I might have sympathy right

1288
00:55:00,120 --> 00:54:58,690
with the secret keepers I mean anyone

1289
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:00,130
thinking the stereo would think oh my

1290
00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:01,090
god

1291
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:04,660
the problem is hey we don't know the

1292
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:08,950
energy applications the I do know that

1293
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:18,510
thing for our society that for those ID

1294
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,220
lists left who believe in freedom and

1295
00:55:24,810 --> 00:55:23,440
liberty and freedom of inquiry it's been

1296
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:24,820
very dangerous for that it's been very

1297
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:27,570
destructive and we moved into a kind of

1298
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:29,890
neo-fascist oligarchy I don't how else

1299
00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:32,170
to call it so for those things I'm not a

1300
00:55:37,260 --> 00:55:34,540
fan of that and I believe in in the

1301
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:37,270
sunshine of truth so for that reason I

1302
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:40,090
always believe in disclosure I have to

1303
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:42,100
believe in the truth because if I don't

1304
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:44,110
I can't believe in the truth and there's

1305
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:45,720
nothing else really for me to believe in

1306
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:48,090
and I think that it's still the most

1307
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,160
proper foundation for a stable Society

1308
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:52,920
as truth not falsehood

1309
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:55,290
but if the truth is that we can't

1310
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,380
control this energy then then our world

1311
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:00,180
will have to find out ways of creating

1312
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:02,370
the control and are we moving them

1313
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:08,130
toward a completely inclusive system

1314
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:09,540
where everyone is monitored where

1315
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:13,170
everything is being checked by a you

1316
00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:14,760
know centralized artificial intelligence

1317
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:16,560
for example to make sure that no one's

1318
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:20,250
building the world's biggest bomb right

1319
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:22,380
yeah I mean I I don't know I don't know

1320
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:24,150
what the solution is we're moving into a

1321
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:27,120
very you know the UFO subject is one of

1322
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:30,900
several key issues that are going to

1323
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:34,470
drive our future it's only one of them

1324
00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:36,210
it's a big one but it's not the only one

1325
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,390
and we're moving into a a very very

1326
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:40,920
different world the next 20 years I

1327
00:56:43,870 --> 00:56:42,690
don't even know who could predict what

1328
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:43,880
our world is gonna look like in 20 years

1329
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:46,710
right it's it's never been more

1330
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:49,380
uncertain I feel and that's I there

1331
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:51,180
going to be an extremely exciting time

1332
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:54,450
to live in or scary or exciting or all

1333
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:56,970
the above you know some ways I'm I agree

1334
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:00,390
one of the things that I did that I've

1335
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,710
been thinking through is this whole

1336
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:03,960
disclosure scenarios different scenarios

1337
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:07,020
of disclosure right when I wrote it

1338
00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:13,020
after disclosure six years ago seven Wow

1339
00:57:17,780 --> 00:57:15,390
we really had one fundamental disclosure

1340
00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:17,790
scenario and it's what I would now call

1341
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:19,590
premature disclosure so in other words

1342
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:23,790
something accidental happens a citing a

1343
00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:26,250
leak something unexpected because we're

1344
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,270
in a very tumultuous era where things

1345
00:57:34,550 --> 00:57:32,520
are unexpected and I've often said

1346
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:34,560
disclosure is impossible but inevitable

1347
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:37,800
like that that paradox and that is

1348
00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:41,910
indeed a real possible way that the

1349
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:43,230
disclosure will happen it won't be a

1350
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:45,980
plan but it will happen as a result of

1351
00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:49,170
some accident you know WikiLeaks or

1352
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:50,820
sighting or something like that but

1353
00:57:55,550 --> 00:57:52,410
there are other scenarios of disclosure

1354
00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:55,560
and actually it occurred to me after we

1355
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:58,470
wrote after disclosure that maybe the

1356
00:58:01,610 --> 00:58:00,300
the leading candidate isn't that one but

1357
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:01,620
rather a kind of fascist form of

1358
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:05,010
disclosure in other words we're moving

1359
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:06,210
toward were moving

1360
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:08,070
into towards some version of a

1361
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:09,960
neo-fascism I said I say neo-fascism

1362
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,080
because fascism in 2017 is not gonna

1363
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,960
look like 1937 right with Hitler's brown

1364
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:17,520
shirts I mean nothing's ever the same in

1365
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:19,890
history we're in a different era but but

1366
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:25,380
a new iteration of version and it seems

1367
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:29,040
to me that once complete control over

1368
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:30,510
the spin over the propaganda system

1369
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:33,270
total control is assured then maybe we

1370
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:34,530
might be moving into a system where

1371
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:36,470
there'll be a disclosure of some sort

1372
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:40,020
but I don't think that that era has

1373
00:58:44,060 --> 00:58:42,750
arised arisen yet where we've got where

1374
00:58:45,290 --> 00:58:44,070
there's total control over the span

1375
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:45,300
there's still enough independence out

1376
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,210
there so if there's a disclosure it's

1377
00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:49,920
not clear to me that the government or

1378
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:52,859
the intelligence community would be able

1379
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:54,510
to maintain full control over the spin

1380
00:58:59,599 --> 00:58:57,240
they control can control spin from so

1381
00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:59,609
much and they might for this but this is

1382
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,740
a big topic this is a tough one

1383
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:03,540
so I think once they get to a point

1384
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,910
where they're convinced that yes we

1385
00:59:10,070 --> 00:59:07,680
controlled the news we're surveilling

1386
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:10,080
people 24/7 we've got everyone ship we

1387
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:11,430
got everyone drugged we've got everyone

1388
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:12,780
basically zoned out when watching

1389
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:15,570
Dancing with the Stars now we can we can

1390
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:16,710
roll this out because no one knows

1391
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,670
anything anymore

1392
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:20,280
I mean we've erased and really all you

1393
00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:22,230
have to do is look around you and it's

1394
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,550
it's distressing to me

1395
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:26,640
I see so few people with even the most

1396
00:59:33,859 --> 00:59:28,380
bare-bones understanding of history and

1397
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:33,869
politics it's I don't know if it was any

1398
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:36,720
better when I was a younger guy but I

1399
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:39,960
think it was better um I I don't know

1400
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:42,119
there there are there's a few people

1401
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:44,970
nowadays who are kind of awake mm-hmm

1402
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:47,849
but there's an enormous mass of people

1403
00:59:52,609 --> 00:59:50,730
who I just think are as asleep at the

1404
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:52,619
switch as ever maybe maybe I don't know

1405
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,750
maybe I'm wrong but anyway I think we're

1406
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,920
moving toward a fascist kind of

1407
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:57,359
disclosure I think that's the preferred

1408
01:00:02,240 --> 00:59:59,210
method of disclosure but there's other

1409
01:00:04,570 --> 01:00:02,250
there's other ways there's you know an

1410
01:00:07,130 --> 01:00:04,580
accident can happen a leak can happen or

1411
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:07,140
best-case scenario the people themselves

1412
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:10,050
we can drive this process and I I think

1413
01:00:13,790 --> 01:00:11,700
that's the healthiest way because it

1414
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:13,800
helps us to reclaim our power help

1415
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:16,710
reclaim the helplessness to get rid of

1416
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:18,359
that which has been encroaching on our

1417
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:18,880
lives

1418
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,150
has generation or more right well you

1419
01:00:27,029 --> 01:00:24,400
know rich I do have to bring this up the

1420
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:27,039
black sheep in ufology at this moment in

1421
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:30,130
terms of disclosure and that's Tom

1422
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,250
DeLonge what well indeed what do you

1423
01:00:38,279 --> 01:00:36,400
make of this entire thing going on is

1424
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:38,289
this guy for real

1425
01:00:43,170 --> 01:00:39,930
it's he actually being fed

1426
01:00:45,059 --> 01:00:43,180
disinformation information probably a

1427
01:00:46,769 --> 01:00:45,069
mixture both or is this all complete

1428
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,779
[\h__\h] like what what do you make of

1429
01:00:52,349 --> 01:00:49,359
this uh yeah that's a very good question

1430
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:52,359
I met I met Tom to launch once back in

1431
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:55,230
2014 he was I liked him you know he's

1432
01:01:00,420 --> 01:00:57,730
for anyone who's living in a cave he's

1433
01:01:02,430 --> 01:01:00,430
the head lead singer blink-182 my

1434
01:01:06,859 --> 01:01:02,440
daughter who's now 18 you know when she

1435
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:06,869
was a few years ago she loved Blanco and

1436
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:10,180
and so he's he's into UFOs I met him in

1437
01:01:16,109 --> 01:01:13,839
2014 he was really into it then this was

1438
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:16,119
before he wrote his book secret machines

1439
01:01:25,769 --> 01:01:22,720
and I am I'm very cautious I'm very I

1440
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:25,779
actually I don't I don't take what he's

1441
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:27,849
saying at face value I haven't from the

1442
01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:30,880
beginning and I and I will not it seems

1443
01:01:34,829 --> 01:01:32,920
to me it's way too convenient the

1444
01:01:37,529 --> 01:01:34,839
leakers coming to him have convinced him

1445
01:01:39,299 --> 01:01:37,539
that they're the white hats that the

1446
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:39,309
secrecy exists for a good reason and he

1447
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:40,809
has said this and that they're

1448
01:01:44,999 --> 01:01:42,430
protecting us they're they're working on

1449
01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:45,009
our behalf and I just think that that's

1450
01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:49,420
a very self-serving way to promote the

1451
01:01:54,569 --> 01:01:51,400
information when I look at the history

1452
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:54,579
of secrecy I do not see that I see

1453
01:02:00,420 --> 01:01:57,450
secrecy as a very self-serving

1454
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:00,430
profit-driven control driven type of

1455
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:04,660
situation where there may very well be

1456
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:07,410
people on the inside who believe that

1457
01:02:11,549 --> 01:02:10,390
they'll they'll rationalize anything you

1458
01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:11,559
know we're doing this for the people but

1459
01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:14,440
in reality I don't I don't believe that

1460
01:02:17,220 --> 01:02:15,700
that is the case I think there's way too

1461
01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:17,230
much profit and power involved in the

1462
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:20,440
UFO secret having said that are these

1463
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:22,630
people for real are they giving them

1464
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:26,710
genuine information bottom line is this

1465
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:29,289
none of this is really gonna make much

1466
01:02:36,290 --> 01:02:33,030
headway until genuine confirmable date

1467
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,300
is released otherwise it's just people

1468
01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:38,880
talking right and even if they're head

1469
01:02:42,110 --> 01:02:39,990
of Lockheed skunkworks

1470
01:02:45,740 --> 01:02:42,120
even if they run run the lab at

1471
01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:45,750
wright-patterson where we believe alien

1472
01:02:49,690 --> 01:02:47,550
tech was being studied I mean those are

1473
01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:49,700
two of his leaguers two of his people

1474
01:02:57,830 --> 01:02:54,300
doesn't matter it these people none of

1475
01:02:59,570 --> 01:02:57,840
them have made a public statement that

1476
01:03:02,750 --> 01:02:59,580
can be directly attributable to them

1477
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:02,760
that they will publicly support alright

1478
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:07,500
so when the head of Boeing skunk works

1479
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:11,430
excuse me Lockheed skunkworks comes out

1480
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:13,290
and says yes I've been meeting with Tom

1481
01:03:17,950 --> 01:03:15,210
to launch we talked about this this is

1482
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,960
real if the head of right Pat's

1483
01:03:23,060 --> 01:03:20,400
Laboratory comes out McCaslin I think

1484
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,070
his name is comes out and says this then

1485
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:26,280
yes if the Major General over at

1486
01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:27,990
Cheyenne Mountain comes out and states

1487
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:30,270
we're doing this right now these people

1488
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:31,980
are hiding away in the background and

1489
01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:33,900
Tom DeLonge is their front man

1490
01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,140
and he's putting himself out there but

1491
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:39,960
the problem with that strategy is that

1492
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:43,260
Tom DeLonge is a rock star and and I

1493
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:45,090
believe he's a good guy but that's not

1494
01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:45,890
enough

1495
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:51,960
to give credibility to this phenomenon

1496
01:03:57,110 --> 01:03:53,670
well these guys are hanging out in the

1497
01:04:00,340 --> 01:03:57,120
background no public statements and and

1498
01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:00,350
absolutely no data well yeah

1499
01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:02,910
informations coming out so yeah so all

1500
01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:05,070
this is is talk talk talk it's talk and

1501
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,670
and to add I mean their names were never

1502
01:04:13,460 --> 01:04:11,280
supposed to be given until the Podesta

1503
01:04:15,980 --> 01:04:13,470
emails were leaked so I mean right there

1504
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:15,990
they're even further back in the corner

1505
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:18,930
not willing to come forward or make any

1506
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:21,210
public statement I agree with you and I

1507
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:22,650
think the Podesta angle has been really

1508
01:04:28,580 --> 01:04:26,850
overplayed and played up okay this is

1509
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:28,590
where I had yeah I have to strongly

1510
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,910
disagree with my friend colleague

1511
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:31,680
Stephen Bassett I think he got this

1512
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:34,110
whole thing wrong and Grant Cameron and

1513
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:35,850
I respect them both tremendously but I

1514
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:37,950
never agreed with him on this where they

1515
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:40,050
think Podesta is genuinely pushing for

1516
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:43,380
disclosure I never seen this it's one

1517
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:44,970
thing to have an interest in UFOs which

1518
01:04:51,380 --> 01:04:47,490
okay he does

1519
01:04:54,110 --> 01:04:51,390
and yes yes Podesta made a couple of

1520
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:54,120
statements about UFOs in his career he

1521
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:55,530
did this he did the press conference

1522
01:05:02,200 --> 01:04:58,200
back in o2 and he made the tweets the

1523
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:02,210
one tweet hashtag disclosure however

1524
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:04,740
John Podesta is one of the most savvy

1525
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:06,780
political operators in the world right

1526
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:13,650
right and I firmly believe that he has

1527
01:05:23,330 --> 01:05:18,450
made a recognition that the UFO subject

1528
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:23,340
in 2014 2015 2016 and today this is not

1529
01:05:27,770 --> 01:05:26,010
where it was that in the 1990s 1990s you

1530
01:05:28,610 --> 01:05:27,780
talk about UFOs it's a career ender

1531
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:28,620
you're done

1532
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:31,830
hell even in 2008 it torpedoed the

1533
01:05:35,530 --> 01:05:33,450
career of Dennis Kucinich for his

1534
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:35,540
presidential candidate candidacy when

1535
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:38,220
they just tore him to pieces over the

1536
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:39,780
fact that he had been a UFO witness I

1537
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:42,510
didn't talk about it and by the way he

1538
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:44,280
was corroborated by two other people who

1539
01:05:48,050 --> 01:05:46,980
said oh yes absolutely it was a triangle

1540
01:05:49,310 --> 01:05:48,060
it was unbelievable we were on the

1541
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:49,320
property of Shirley MacLaine when it

1542
01:05:54,050 --> 01:05:51,570
happened I mean it was a really good

1543
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:54,060
sighting back in the 80s and Kucinich

1544
01:06:00,010 --> 01:05:57,900
got reamed in 2008 for that but even

1545
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,020
since oh wait we've gone through a

1546
01:06:04,900 --> 01:06:02,640
dramatic transformation of the culture

1547
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:04,910
with YouTube and Facebook social media

1548
01:06:09,830 --> 01:06:07,680
and I think Podesta is a savvy political

1549
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:09,840
operator has recognized that there are

1550
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:13,260
votes to be won that UFOs are kind of

1551
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:15,230
cool they actually are kind of cool

1552
01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:18,660
people are into it there's a tremendous

1553
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:21,080
market ufo's in other words are a brand

1554
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,690
yes Sarah Brown and Podesta realizes

1555
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:26,880
that this brand can be tapped as long as

1556
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:29,370
you're careful like and he's been very

1557
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:31,290
careful he's very smart about this and

1558
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:32,970
Hillary was very smart about this

1559
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,700
she let Podesta do the talking for the

1560
01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:37,680
most part a little bit then she did her

1561
01:06:43,420 --> 01:06:38,580
thing on Jimmy Kimmel

1562
01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:43,430
but she never overplayed the UFO part

1563
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:45,900
they did it just enough to get people

1564
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:49,050
into UFOs to think oh wow wow they're

1565
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:50,630
into UFOs I'm gonna vote for her

1566
01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:53,670
and I be I believe that's exactly and a

1567
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:54,840
hundred percent of what it was all about

1568
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,810
was simply to get the vote and I would I

1569
01:07:00,180 --> 01:06:59,760
mean we'll never know because she didn't

1570
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:00,190
win the

1571
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:03,490
but had she won I I would absolutely

1572
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:06,310
never have expected her to do anything

1573
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:10,270
like a disclosure never yeah well in

1574
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:14,470
terms of civilian research into the UFO

1575
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:18,280
topic Rachel I want to touch on you know

1576
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:19,839
the the the big one

1577
01:07:24,030 --> 01:07:22,480
let's say MUFON this is a listener

1578
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:24,040
question from I believe a field

1579
01:07:28,410 --> 01:07:26,050
investigator what are your thoughts on

1580
01:07:30,809 --> 01:07:28,420
the functionality and the behavior of

1581
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:30,819
research organizations looking into the

1582
01:07:38,579 --> 01:07:34,650
UFO topic that's a great question

1583
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:38,589
I'm a strong supporter and the in the

1584
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:40,690
idea of MUFON I think we need

1585
01:07:46,050 --> 01:07:44,710
organizations like MUFON I get a little

1586
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:46,060
frustrated when people say oh we're done

1587
01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:47,710
we're done with UFO reports now let's

1588
01:07:51,210 --> 01:07:49,540
talk about the implications well yes and

1589
01:07:52,530 --> 01:07:51,220
no we're not really done with the UFO

1590
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:52,540
reports and the reason we're not done

1591
01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:54,730
with them is because what we absolutely

1592
01:08:01,710 --> 01:07:58,200
need are well researched solid

1593
01:08:03,569 --> 01:08:01,720
investigative cases this strengthens the

1594
01:08:07,319 --> 01:08:03,579
cause for all of us

1595
01:08:08,819 --> 01:08:07,329
and MUFON above any other organization

1596
01:08:10,109 --> 01:08:08,829
that I can think of is really best

1597
01:08:12,270 --> 01:08:10,119
suited to do this

1598
01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:12,280
in other words a very strong MUFON

1599
01:08:17,249 --> 01:08:16,120
investigation that goes to the process

1600
01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:17,259
properly that interviews witnesses

1601
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:20,440
against any kind of evidence that it can

1602
01:08:25,050 --> 01:08:22,690
put forth and in a proper analysis to

1603
01:08:26,340 --> 01:08:25,060
show that such and such a UFO incident

1604
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:26,350
is genuine and doesn't seem to be

1605
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:28,390
explainable conventionally we need this

1606
01:08:33,059 --> 01:08:31,319
we need this in 2017 as much as ever

1607
01:08:34,499 --> 01:08:33,069
there's a lot of times people think

1608
01:08:35,849 --> 01:08:34,509
about UFOs and they think oh well that's

1609
01:08:38,959 --> 01:08:35,859
back you know there were UFO sightings

1610
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:38,969
in the 50s so we need this today and we

1611
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:41,770
need MUFON to be at the top of its game

1612
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:43,750
to do this now the problem has always

1613
01:08:47,070 --> 01:08:46,210
been that MUFON look there's never been

1614
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:47,080
money and move on

1615
01:08:50,999 --> 01:08:49,210
the investigators who are involved in

1616
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:51,009
this do this on their own dime their own

1617
01:08:56,459 --> 01:08:53,489
energy their own time commitment and

1618
01:08:58,079 --> 01:08:56,469
some of them do a fantastic job with all

1619
01:09:00,749 --> 01:08:58,089
of those obstacles and they still do a

1620
01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:00,759
great job but it's very difficult it's

1621
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:05,140
very difficult for years I was a little

1622
01:09:09,689 --> 01:09:06,730
bit of a gadfly I think I'd like to stay

1623
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:09,699
with MUFON and one of the things that

1624
01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:12,489
I've always said is that MUFON needed to

1625
01:09:17,190 --> 01:09:14,020
put together an annual

1626
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:17,200
port if nothing else MUFON I said stop

1627
01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:18,850
sucking in the information and not

1628
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:20,230
giving anything back we need to have

1629
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:21,730
data what are you investigating what are

1630
01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:24,210
the results of your investigation and

1631
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:27,339
Jan horizon-- and I say this to his

1632
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,250
credit has been attempting to do these

1633
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:33,520
annual reports I have one of them I

1634
01:09:37,860 --> 01:09:35,049
think he's been doing them every year to

1635
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:37,870
put out you know how bare bones like

1636
01:09:41,070 --> 01:09:39,730
these are the number of cases we have

1637
01:09:42,510 --> 01:09:41,080
these what we've investigated these are

1638
01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:42,520
our unknowns and these are our top

1639
01:09:47,970 --> 01:09:46,120
unknowns of the year and I said this is

1640
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:47,980
what you need to do move on and so I

1641
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:50,410
think they're still doing that but

1642
01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:53,230
there's so much more to go and we're

1643
01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:55,180
only talking the United States the

1644
01:09:57,650 --> 01:09:56,680
United States has five percent four

1645
01:09:59,610 --> 01:09:57,660
percent of the world's population

1646
01:10:02,910 --> 01:09:59,620
there's a whole big world out there and

1647
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:02,920
as bad as it is in the u.s. it's vastly

1648
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:06,910
worse in every other country in terms of

1649
01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:09,730
generating UFO data well I mean it's

1650
01:10:13,890 --> 01:10:11,140
frightening to say that the u.s. is the

1651
01:10:18,450 --> 01:10:13,900
best at this u.s. and Canada but really

1652
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,460
us Brazil they have got good UFO

1653
01:10:22,890 --> 01:10:20,320
researchers but there's is there a

1654
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:22,900
national database of sightings no there

1655
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:25,750
isn't not to my knowledge they it's all

1656
01:10:29,460 --> 01:10:28,450
sporadic we have the MUFON database and

1657
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:29,470
we have the national UFO Reporting

1658
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:31,750
Center here in North America so if

1659
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:33,430
someone sees what they think is a UFO at

1660
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:34,870
the very least they can report it

1661
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:37,510
elsewhere in the world got nothing yeah

1662
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:40,140
Europe nothing Britain no nothing really

1663
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,350
Germany Russia to my knowledge China

1664
01:10:48,930 --> 01:10:45,760
these countries all have good UFO

1665
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:48,940
researchers in them but they need we

1666
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:51,850
need data and beyond that we need data

1667
01:11:00,300 --> 01:10:55,410
that's been investigated and that

1668
01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:00,310
approaches some level of scientific data

1669
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:03,100
because that's really the only way we're

1670
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,940
gonna make a breakthrough

1671
01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:06,640
we need a good sledgehammer break

1672
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:08,260
through this wall of secrecy and we can

1673
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:11,410
only do it with scientific data

1674
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:14,110
well investigated data and that's what

1675
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:17,770
MUFON should be doing and can do I'm

1676
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:20,650
speaking at this year's MUFON symposium

1677
01:11:27,209 --> 01:11:23,770
for the first time in years I feel that

1678
01:11:29,549 --> 01:11:27,219
I was unofficially banned for six years

1679
01:11:33,569 --> 01:11:29,559
I mean honestly I think I was that's

1680
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:33,579
fine but I'm a little bit this is all

1681
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:34,690
about they're doing a thing on the

1682
01:11:41,540 --> 01:11:39,249
secret space program and and I I'm gonna

1683
01:11:43,739 --> 01:11:41,550
say here and here and now the

1684
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:43,749
individuals that I'm gonna be on a panel

1685
01:11:48,629 --> 01:11:45,670
with on this our individuals that I

1686
01:11:51,089 --> 01:11:48,639
don't all consider reputable and I will

1687
01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:51,099
be making it very clear when I'm at this

1688
01:11:56,819 --> 01:11:53,590
panel that I'm not starting a war with

1689
01:12:00,799 --> 01:11:56,829
anyone but I will be I will be speaking

1690
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,809
very candidly about the failure of

1691
01:12:04,589 --> 01:12:02,800
number of these other individuals to

1692
01:12:07,109 --> 01:12:04,599
provide any kind of confirmable or

1693
01:12:10,379 --> 01:12:07,119
reasonable or even logical data behind

1694
01:12:12,330 --> 01:12:10,389
them and I'm gonna call them out so but

1695
01:12:15,299 --> 01:12:12,340
what I'm a little bit distressed by is

1696
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:15,309
that this is a the main feature MUFON

1697
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:18,070
because it's popular people love to talk

1698
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,590
about the secret space program if you go

1699
01:12:26,629 --> 01:12:22,719
to the UFO subject those types of books

1700
01:12:28,739 --> 01:12:26,639
are the top-selling books these days and

1701
01:12:31,109 --> 01:12:28,749
so it's a matter of giving the people

1702
01:12:34,219 --> 01:12:31,119
what they want however this is not going

1703
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:34,229
to be done in a scientific detached way

1704
01:12:42,930 --> 01:12:38,110
and my fear you know MUFON i it in a

1705
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:42,940
MUFON show hangar one on TV but which

1706
01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:44,860
was a good idea and which had its own

1707
01:12:51,569 --> 01:12:47,260
problems to be perfectly candid yeah and

1708
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:51,579
so much here is that MUFON who funds got

1709
01:12:58,529 --> 01:12:54,719
to be very careful here about going into

1710
01:13:00,779 --> 01:12:58,539
an area where they're just dealing more

1711
01:13:03,899 --> 01:13:00,789
with public relations and less with

1712
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:03,909
scientific inquiry I mean they need PR

1713
01:13:08,189 --> 01:13:05,409
they need to get the word out there

1714
01:13:12,569 --> 01:13:08,199
absolutely move on all through the 80s

1715
01:13:14,729 --> 01:13:12,579
and 90s utterly failed at that MUFON is

1716
01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:14,739
website and you know for most of its

1717
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,900
history has been absolute junk they're

1718
01:13:22,109 --> 01:13:19,199
only now just making it something nice

1719
01:13:24,419 --> 01:13:22,119
but they still have to remain scientific

1720
01:13:26,759 --> 01:13:24,429
and if they don't do that that's their

1721
01:13:29,129 --> 01:13:26,769
core that is their strength their

1722
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:29,139
strength is not in pretending to have

1723
01:13:34,109 --> 01:13:32,170
underground base files on hangar one or

1724
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:34,119
presidential files of UFOs and Hank like

1725
01:13:38,060 --> 01:13:35,409
they did in hangar one that's not their

1726
01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:38,070
strength their strength is in doing

1727
01:13:42,370 --> 01:13:40,190
field investigations

1728
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:42,380
and when they move away from that that

1729
01:13:46,330 --> 01:13:44,030
is their core that's their core business

1730
01:13:48,250 --> 01:13:46,340
as it were and if they move away from

1731
01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:48,260
that they are going to endanger

1732
01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:51,740
themselves and they'll just be just

1733
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:54,700
another PR company selling their brand

1734
01:14:03,960 --> 01:13:57,530
expand if that happens then we're all

1735
01:14:06,850 --> 01:14:03,970
we're all worse off so let's say yeah

1736
01:14:09,310 --> 01:14:06,860
yeah it's a delicate balance too rich I

1737
01:14:11,710 --> 01:14:09,320
mean in the last week I've spoken to

1738
01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:11,720
several MUFON investigators who off the

1739
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:14,390
top of their head could give me the

1740
01:14:19,930 --> 01:14:17,000
amount of reports from this year on

1741
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:19,940
cigar-shaped craft or these orbs or

1742
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:22,310
these discs what-have-you so that core

1743
01:14:28,060 --> 01:14:24,770
work like you mentioned is being done

1744
01:14:30,730 --> 01:14:28,070
but it is not at the forefront and that

1745
01:14:33,310 --> 01:14:30,740
is a delicate balance between wanting to

1746
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:33,320
get something like hangar 1 on a you

1747
01:14:38,860 --> 01:14:37,010
know a cable network to get that this

1748
01:14:42,130 --> 01:14:38,870
organization out to the public but then

1749
01:14:44,020 --> 01:14:42,140
again it's a risky game because the more

1750
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:44,030
sensational you become with these

1751
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,510
underground files it's tricky I get it I

1752
01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:49,040
totally they need they need to make

1753
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:51,710
their money we can all appreciate that

1754
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:53,420
you can't run a decent organization if

1755
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:55,010
you're not getting some cash flow so

1756
01:14:58,270 --> 01:14:57,110
they have to do that the way that

1757
01:15:01,000 --> 01:14:58,280
they've been doing it in the past I

1758
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:01,010
think was really really questionable and

1759
01:15:04,420 --> 01:15:02,330
in fact they think they still do it's

1760
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:04,430
like the board members of MUFON are on

1761
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:05,690
the board because they pay a lot of

1762
01:15:11,260 --> 01:15:07,190
money to move on right

1763
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:11,270
they basically buy their way in I think

1764
01:15:20,220 --> 01:15:15,170
that's uh not not a good way to do it I

1765
01:15:23,470 --> 01:15:20,230
don't think I support this at all but

1766
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:23,480
but they on the other hand they need to

1767
01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:25,040
find to find a way to make the money and

1768
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,070
now they're doing it through TV and

1769
01:15:32,170 --> 01:15:29,840
through getting their brand out there

1770
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:32,180
which is not the worst way to do it but

1771
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:33,890
they've just got to be very careful with

1772
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,170
how they do it exactly and when you go

1773
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:37,760
in a TV you're making a deal with the

1774
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:39,410
devil MUFON did this back in the 70s

1775
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:42,130
with the National Enquirer by the way

1776
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:44,450
and talked about media and National

1777
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,030
Enquirer is and was at least was a CIA

1778
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:49,760
outfit I don't know if it still is back

1779
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,770
in the 70s it was absolutely doing work

1780
01:15:54,010 --> 01:15:53,120
for the CIA it was run by a guy named

1781
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:54,020
Jean Pope who was

1782
01:16:03,130 --> 01:15:58,480
CIA X mafioso - but definitely CIA and

1783
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,140
and MUFON was actually very close with

1784
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:04,880
the National Inquirer for through the

1785
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,960
70s and a lot of people back then

1786
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,640
thought why are we doing this and

1787
01:16:17,050 --> 01:16:12,320
because it's really hurting our

1788
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:17,060
reputation and MUFON leadership's answer

1789
01:16:21,670 --> 01:16:18,650
it was Walter hundreds running MUFON at

1790
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:21,680
the time said look we you know any

1791
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:23,210
publicity is better than no publicity

1792
01:16:26,230 --> 01:16:24,320
that thing that was essentially his

1793
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:26,240
answer until II eventually he got

1794
01:16:30,730 --> 01:16:28,760
overruled and MUFON pulled its

1795
01:16:32,980 --> 01:16:30,740
relationship away from The Enquirer but

1796
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:32,990
for the mid-70s they were very much in

1797
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,260
bed with the National Enquirer and now

1798
01:16:40,540 --> 01:16:38,000
you've got the situation with hangar one

1799
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:40,550
it's a similar kind of a thing where the

1800
01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:42,110
problem with that show and I'll just say

1801
01:16:47,770 --> 01:16:43,670
this because I was on it for both of the

1802
01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:47,780
seasons that was a very heavily scripted

1803
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:51,080
show yes to my knowledge I was I might

1804
01:16:56,230 --> 01:16:53,450
have been the only person in all of

1805
01:16:59,740 --> 01:16:56,240
season two to my knowledge who refused

1806
01:17:02,950 --> 01:16:59,750
to read from a script they wanted me to

1807
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:02,960
that both seasons and I said are you I

1808
01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:06,050
said look I'll work with you just ask me

1809
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:07,400
your questions and I'll do my best to

1810
01:17:12,010 --> 01:17:09,980
answer them relevantly yes I mean I just

1811
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:12,020
for any of the TV shows but I'm not

1812
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:13,370
gonna read your script I mean goodness

1813
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:15,110
gracious but they had everyone else

1814
01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:16,910
doing this and they had actual voice

1815
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:19,070
actors pretending to be UFO researchers

1816
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:20,330
on there and they had producers on there

1817
01:17:24,580 --> 01:17:22,970
who are not researchers and and a really

1818
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:24,590
harm and then then the whole pretense

1819
01:17:29,290 --> 01:17:27,140
the false pretense that MUFON had these

1820
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:29,300
their files in this place called hangar

1821
01:17:35,530 --> 01:17:34,010
one my mother my mother when she she's

1822
01:17:37,930 --> 01:17:35,540
always excited when I'm on television

1823
01:17:39,730 --> 01:17:37,940
and she got excited about hangar one and

1824
01:17:42,850 --> 01:17:39,740
it beginning she said so where is this

1825
01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:42,860
hangar one and I said look mom there

1826
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:45,590
it's just it's a convenient fiction and

1827
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:49,610
my mother got so angry being lied to

1828
01:17:54,340 --> 01:17:53,300
right yeah and and I think our instincts

1829
01:17:57,190 --> 01:17:54,350
are good you know you don't want to be

1830
01:17:59,320 --> 01:17:57,200
lied to on TV the idea was when Dave

1831
01:18:00,820 --> 01:17:59,330
McDonald was running MUFON he did he's

1832
01:18:03,670 --> 01:18:00,830
an aviator and he did store MUFON files

1833
01:18:05,860 --> 01:18:03,680
in a hangar and when they were doing the

1834
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:05,870
creating when they were developing the

1835
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:07,390
show that was

1836
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:09,610
MUFON files were stored in a hangar and

1837
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:11,650
they said let's call it hangar 1 course

1838
01:18:15,780 --> 01:18:13,930
the images of the of the building we're

1839
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:15,790
all fictional I mean right

1840
01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:20,050
like in that part I mean all right you

1841
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:22,270
want to like give them this enabling

1842
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:24,370
fiction fine but then what they would do

1843
01:18:29,070 --> 01:18:26,320
is move on you know we've got our files

1844
01:18:30,510 --> 01:18:29,080
on on this and on that and they they

1845
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:30,520
don't they don't have their files on

1846
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:32,710
those cases right but they have a

1847
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:34,750
tremendous number of case files

1848
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:38,410
yeah and they don't have files dealing

1849
01:18:43,050 --> 01:18:40,690
with underground bases right there are

1850
01:18:46,770 --> 01:18:43,060
files dealing with the president that's

1851
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:46,780
grand Cameron he's got this and a few of

1852
01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:50,950
us other researchers you know so I mean

1853
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:53,380
they were kind of making these it was

1854
01:18:58,700 --> 01:18:56,040
getting down this slippery road of I

1855
01:18:59,970 --> 01:18:58,710
think the producers really had a good

1856
01:19:02,010 --> 01:18:59,980
intention

1857
01:19:04,370 --> 01:19:02,020
I honestly do believe it I met I talked

1858
01:19:08,820 --> 01:19:04,380
with the peruses and I think they

1859
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:08,830
overall wanted to do a good reliable

1860
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,050
show that dealt with genuine issues and

1861
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:12,880
some of the shows did deal very well

1862
01:19:17,340 --> 01:19:15,610
with these issues I want to give them

1863
01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:17,350
some credit but they they hampered

1864
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:18,910
themselves and move on hampered itself

1865
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:21,690
by going in down this road that is

1866
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:23,410
they're talking about things that are

1867
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:24,730
not accurate and this is the danger with

1868
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:28,480
television anytime you do TV work and I

1869
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:30,070
don't know I've done enough of it and

1870
01:19:35,850 --> 01:19:33,880
it's very hard these TV producers

1871
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:35,860
they're not UFO people they don't care

1872
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:38,170
they want good ratings yes and some of

1873
01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:40,300
them might care a little bit about the

1874
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:42,550
subject they they do some of them to get

1875
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:44,170
interested but they don't have a lot of

1876
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:45,940
knowledge generally speaking and and

1877
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:48,810
they're out there to get good ratings

1878
01:19:54,030 --> 01:19:52,480
and that's their job their job is to get

1879
01:19:57,450 --> 01:19:54,040
good ratings a job isn't to be truthful

1880
01:19:58,770 --> 01:19:57,460
about UFOs so I'm not faulting them it's

1881
01:20:02,580 --> 01:19:58,780
the nature of the beast

1882
01:20:04,530 --> 01:20:02,590
but MUFON has got to be careful yeah and

1883
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:04,540
they really I would just say to MUFON I

1884
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:05,920
would say to Jan and I will say when I

1885
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:08,230
see him again don't lose sight of your

1886
01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:12,310
core reason to be your core reason to be

1887
01:20:20,340 --> 01:20:17,260
is to have and train and encourage and

1888
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:20,350
inspire good investigators to do good

1889
01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:21,130
work

1890
01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:24,630
in the field to produce good analyses of

1891
01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:28,120
UFO cases yes that's you do and don't

1892
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,160
lose sight of that move on stick to the

1893
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:32,080
mission guys no I I have hope for the

1894
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:35,050
future of MUFON I really do rich in

1895
01:20:41,130 --> 01:20:38,260
terms of a this this may piss off some

1896
01:20:43,050 --> 01:20:41,140
of our more skeptical listeners but in

1897
01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:43,060
closing I've got one more listener

1898
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,180
question for you and that's what do you

1899
01:20:52,410 --> 01:20:48,400
think is the best evidence we have that

1900
01:20:54,330 --> 01:20:52,420
UFOs have anything to do with an

1901
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:54,340
extraterrestrial intelligence I know

1902
01:20:59,100 --> 01:20:58,090
that's a very loaded question I answer

1903
01:21:01,250 --> 01:20:59,110
it in two stages

1904
01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:01,260
all right so stage one is I look at

1905
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,590
confirmed government documents I always

1906
01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:07,120
start with that

1907
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:09,700
why because I know they're real I know

1908
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:11,170
there's a paper trail and I know that

1909
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:12,910
the national security community has

1910
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:14,650
taken this subject very seriously

1911
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:18,090
among documents in the paper trail our

1912
01:21:23,130 --> 01:21:20,650
radar tracking and visuals of objects

1913
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:23,140
that are described as disc shaped this

1914
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:25,050
is back in the 1940s and 50s

1915
01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:27,610
sometimes zigzagging sometimes it's an

1916
01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:29,200
acceleration always incredible

1917
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:31,270
maneuverability silent in other words

1918
01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:33,430
extraordinary so we know that that

1919
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:37,660
part's real we know this it leaves us a

1920
01:21:42,020 --> 01:21:38,940
couple of options

1921
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:42,030
extraterrestrial right black-budget

1922
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:44,770
classified us black-budget classified

1923
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:50,170
Soviet Russian and the like so on that

1924
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:51,670
level alone we go through process of

1925
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:53,110
elimination and we'd know by the way

1926
01:21:57,780 --> 01:21:54,730
that within the US intelligence

1927
01:21:59,700 --> 01:21:57,790
community that the glimpses that we have

1928
01:22:03,410 --> 01:21:59,710
of their analyses that we are permitted

1929
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:03,420
to see many of them have concluded

1930
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:05,380
extraterrestrial interplanetary it was

1931
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,810
the most likely scenario because there

1932
01:22:11,670 --> 01:22:09,760
was an evidence of a us-based or Soviet

1933
01:22:14,820 --> 01:22:11,680
based technology program that could do

1934
01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:14,830
it and indeed to this day there isn't on

1935
01:22:20,370 --> 01:22:16,900
top of that we have non-military

1936
01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:20,380
evidence so we have evidence of people

1937
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:22,780
who have had encounters and here's the

1938
01:22:27,930 --> 01:22:26,440
thing that a skeptic will argue against

1939
01:22:31,050 --> 01:22:27,940
which is that the evidence for these

1940
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,060
encounters is not of a high level of

1941
01:22:37,050 --> 01:22:34,480
scientific credibility in their opinion

1942
01:22:38,690 --> 01:22:37,060
I would be inclined to agree with that

1943
01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:38,700
except I would I would have one caveat

1944
01:22:45,630 --> 01:22:41,620
the amount of that evidence is is so

1945
01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:45,640
vast at this point and and to call it

1946
01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:46,900
non-scientific is a little bit

1947
01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:50,620
problematic anyway there have been some

1948
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:52,390
very detailed investigations of

1949
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:55,480
individual cases from back to the Betty

1950
01:23:00,300 --> 01:22:58,000
and Barney Hill abduction case to the

1951
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:00,310
even the veils Boas cases in Brazil from

1952
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:03,550
nineteen 1957 to more recent cases in

1953
01:23:09,330 --> 01:23:06,430
the 70s and 80s and 90s that have gone

1954
01:23:11,790 --> 01:23:09,340
through detailed analysis the Betty

1955
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:11,800
Andreas and Lucca case investigated by

1956
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:13,930
Ray Fowler is a very very interesting

1957
01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:16,450
case hard for me to dismiss this as

1958
01:23:20,690 --> 01:23:18,340
anything other than dealing with

1959
01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:20,700
extraterrestrial or non-human entities

1960
01:23:26,370 --> 01:23:23,680
the work of Budd Hopkins and John Mack

1961
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:26,380
and Dave Jacobs and nowadays people like

1962
01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:30,970
Kathleen Martin and Yvonne Smith you

1963
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:33,220
know the these people do regressive

1964
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:36,910
hypnosis Barbara lamb I don't even agree

1965
01:23:39,450 --> 01:23:38,350
with all of the conclusions that they

1966
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:39,460
have about the nature of the phenomenon

1967
01:23:46,110 --> 01:23:42,370
itself but all of these people are

1968
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,120
meeting with large numbers of

1969
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:48,400
individuals who've had what they believe

1970
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:49,930
our abduction experience our encounter

1971
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:52,570
experiences then the quantity of these

1972
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:54,600
individuals is so vast and these are not

1973
01:24:01,710 --> 01:23:57,370
psychologically disturbed people now is

1974
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:01,720
there an explanation that could account

1975
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:04,480
for the tremendous consistency of what

1976
01:24:10,380 --> 01:24:06,850
most of these people are saying they're

1977
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:10,390
having experiences with non-human

1978
01:24:16,940 --> 01:24:12,190
entities who are doing things to their

1979
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:16,950
body is there some kind of psychological

1980
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:19,030
manifestation of something that's

1981
01:24:23,670 --> 01:24:21,970
causing this well in theory I suppose

1982
01:24:25,950 --> 01:24:23,680
it's possible we don't know what that is

1983
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:25,960
no one's identified it on the other hand

1984
01:24:29,729 --> 01:24:27,610
knowing that there's a UFO phenomenon

1985
01:24:31,860 --> 01:24:29,739
that is real and we know it's real

1986
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:31,870
because we have the documentation to

1987
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:34,660
prove it's real and we have the reasons

1988
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:37,090
to believe that it may indeed be not of

1989
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:39,250
our civilization so when I combine that

1990
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:43,380
evidence with the very large amount of

1991
01:24:46,979 --> 01:24:45,460
personal testimony that people have of

1992
01:24:48,329 --> 01:24:46,989
encounters with non-human beings in

1993
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,339
connection with the UFO subject

1994
01:24:52,979 --> 01:24:50,800
the Topix sightings excuse me then I

1995
01:24:55,429 --> 01:24:52,989
have to think that's the most by far

1996
01:24:59,279 --> 01:24:55,439
rarely it's the most logical conclusion

1997
01:25:01,679 --> 01:24:59,289
and it doesn't all come down to evidence

1998
01:25:03,329 --> 01:25:01,689
from regressive hypnosis by the way all

1999
01:25:06,689 --> 01:25:03,339
right there's a lot of people who have

2000
01:25:09,739 --> 01:25:06,699
had encounters with UFOs and beings or

2001
01:25:11,549 --> 01:25:09,749
endor occupants inside that have not

2002
01:25:13,709 --> 01:25:11,559
revealed this information through

2003
01:25:16,259 --> 01:25:13,719
hypnosis I mean there's an enormous

2004
01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:16,269
number of accounts from around the world

2005
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:18,760
that's just America where this is the

2006
01:25:26,309 --> 01:25:21,300
case so I think that's the most likely

2007
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:26,319
scenario that's not the same as

2008
01:25:30,509 --> 01:25:29,289
scientific laboratory proof but it's a

2009
01:25:32,759 --> 01:25:30,519
messy world out there this is what I

2010
01:25:35,369 --> 01:25:32,769
think we're looking at I think it's the

2011
01:25:37,229 --> 01:25:35,379
best hypothesis by far yes and that's

2012
01:25:41,219 --> 01:25:37,239
why I say I think that's why we are

2013
01:25:42,959 --> 01:25:41,229
dealing with a presence of another are

2014
01:25:44,669 --> 01:25:42,969
they from another planet well I would

2015
01:25:46,649 --> 01:25:44,679
say probably but they could be from some

2016
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:46,659
other portion of reality that I don't

2017
01:25:50,219 --> 01:25:48,369
quite understand because I'm not smart

2018
01:25:54,299 --> 01:25:50,229
enough because my brain doesn't work in

2019
01:25:56,309 --> 01:25:54,309
the way that I wish I could yeah well I

2020
01:25:58,500 --> 01:25:56,319
know I mean rich you and I both know as

2021
01:26:00,659 --> 01:25:58,510
all the listeners that this topic in

2022
01:26:05,129 --> 01:26:00,669
general UFOs is not so black and white

2023
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:05,139
so there is no one core answer to any of

2024
01:26:10,290 --> 01:26:09,010
this I had a conversation I've been

2025
01:26:12,829 --> 01:26:10,300
interrupted you've been so nice to me

2026
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:12,839
this whole interview right all right

2027
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:15,249
once with a researcher named Chris

2028
01:26:20,609 --> 01:26:18,550
O'Brien yeah I like Chris he he's done

2029
01:26:21,869 --> 01:26:20,619
great work on cattle mutilations and not

2030
01:26:23,819 --> 01:26:21,879
just that though he's done work on

2031
01:26:27,809 --> 01:26:23,829
really a lot of the high strangeness of

2032
01:26:29,459 --> 01:26:27,819
this whole subject and Chris we were

2033
01:26:34,109 --> 01:26:29,469
talking about this once and he he said

2034
01:26:37,649 --> 01:26:34,119
to me I I said I think you know no

2035
01:26:39,509 --> 01:26:37,659
there's no one theory that seems to

2036
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:39,519
explain all of UFOs and he said I would

2037
01:26:42,779 --> 01:26:40,719
go further I would say a lot of the

2038
01:26:44,549 --> 01:26:42,789
theories fight against each other in

2039
01:26:49,099 --> 01:26:44,559
other words the idea of extraterrestrial

2040
01:26:52,939 --> 01:26:49,109
or time travelers or interdimensional

2041
01:26:54,959 --> 01:26:52,949
entities or black-budget

2042
01:26:57,929 --> 01:26:54,969
but they are there's all of these

2043
01:26:59,609 --> 01:26:57,939
competing theories when we when we ask

2044
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,619
ourselves what is the core what's

2045
01:27:03,870 --> 01:27:01,360
causing this phenomenon

2046
01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:03,880
is it some psychosocial phenomenon is is

2047
01:27:08,430 --> 01:27:06,190
the earth itself is reality itself

2048
01:27:11,010 --> 01:27:08,440
getting inside our heads to make us see

2049
01:27:12,140 --> 01:27:11,020
these things in a way that comports with

2050
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:12,150
our own cultural and psychological

2051
01:27:16,130 --> 01:27:13,810
expectations I mean if you go through

2052
01:27:19,410 --> 01:27:16,140
UFO sightings over the centuries people

2053
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:19,420
in medieval times banned sightings of

2054
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:20,890
things they didn't describe the most

2055
01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:23,650
spacemen in flying saucers because well

2056
01:27:27,810 --> 01:27:25,540
they didn't have that concept so they

2057
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:27,820
described things differently so is there

2058
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,610
a phenomenon that's causing us to see

2059
01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:32,560
things the way we expect to see them and

2060
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:33,580
does that mean that they're physically

2061
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:34,270
real or not

2062
01:27:40,230 --> 01:27:36,130
that's a psychosocial type of

2063
01:27:42,210 --> 01:27:40,240
explanation and then there's the whole

2064
01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:42,220
idea that are we living in a constructed

2065
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:44,950
matrix type of reality a kind of a you

2066
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,130
know simulating simulation hypothesis

2067
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:49,120
but then I think the extra-terrestrial

2068
01:27:56,730 --> 01:27:54,250
hypothesis is a is still the probably

2069
01:27:59,100 --> 01:27:56,740
the front-runner in my opinion when I

2070
01:28:01,640 --> 01:27:59,110
look at our own future tech our own

2071
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,650
ability in the next generation or two to

2072
01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:03,760
get some part of our civilization

2073
01:28:09,570 --> 01:28:06,310
civilization out to the stars I mean

2074
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:09,580
where you and I may not make it but next

2075
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:11,350
gen artificial intelligence next

2076
01:28:15,450 --> 01:28:13,960
generation 3d printing next generation

2077
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:15,460
propulsion yeah I could see it happening

2078
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:17,770
we could send something out there and so

2079
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:19,270
has another civilization had already

2080
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:21,010
done that for us are they sending their

2081
01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:23,590
own artificially created beings their

2082
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:26,110
own avatars who knows I think that's

2083
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:27,940
probably the most likely scenario and I

2084
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:29,200
think that's what we're dealing with I

2085
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:33,160
agree it is in extremely enticing future

2086
01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:37,330
to to live in and I look forward to

2087
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:38,500
seeing where that goes

2088
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:40,570
rich what do you got coming up my man

2089
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:42,280
what can we expect from you in the near

2090
01:28:46,380 --> 01:28:42,730
future

2091
01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:46,390
well I I just shot a had a reshoot but

2092
01:28:53,250 --> 01:28:50,590
we did a full season episode of false

2093
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:53,260
flags on Gaia TV so I've had a show on

2094
01:28:57,900 --> 01:28:54,970
guides coming out it'll be out this

2095
01:28:59,900 --> 01:28:57,910
early summer I think on the history of

2096
01:29:02,010 --> 01:28:59,910
false flag operation this is not a UFO

2097
01:29:03,690 --> 01:29:02,020
oriented program at all it's all

2098
01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:03,700
politics it's something very different

2099
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:05,800
for Gaia this is not anything like what

2100
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:07,810
they do is they're taking a chance on me

2101
01:29:12,690 --> 01:29:09,730
so I'm hoping it doesn't fall flat I

2102
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:12,700
think it's a good show it deals with the

2103
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:14,530
phenomenon of false flags as

2104
01:29:19,290 --> 01:29:15,940
has occurred throughout human history

2105
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:19,300
particular in last century and in

2106
01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:22,570
focusing really on a lot of the us false

2107
01:29:26,370 --> 01:29:25,030
flags over the last 50 years it's only

2108
01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:26,380
scratching the surface there's so much

2109
01:29:29,540 --> 01:29:28,030
more to do but I've written and hosted

2110
01:29:32,129 --> 01:29:29,550
that that'll be out soon

2111
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:32,139
I'll keep people posted on that as we

2112
01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:35,020
approach airing and then in terms of my

2113
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:39,400
own writing and researching I'm working

2114
01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:41,230
on my own publishing projects right now

2115
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,230
I've spoken cluding yours over the last

2116
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:46,480
year I've got us some of my own things

2117
01:29:49,589 --> 01:29:47,770
I've done this little lecture series

2118
01:29:51,419 --> 01:29:49,599
whose booklet set up putting out but

2119
01:29:53,609 --> 01:29:51,429
fundamentally I'm I want to finish my

2120
01:29:55,470 --> 01:29:53,619
false flag book I'll be doing a number

2121
01:29:59,879 --> 01:29:55,480
of appearances I'll be in Joshua Tree

2122
01:30:02,220 --> 01:29:59,889
California in late May with my fiance

2123
01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:02,230
Tracy who you met a few months ago in

2124
01:30:06,089 --> 01:30:04,270
Phoenix yes I did congratulations

2125
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:06,099
yeah thank you it's a very wonderful

2126
01:30:10,919 --> 01:30:09,010
thing and I will be in Roswell New

2127
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:10,929
Mexico oh and before that I'll be in

2128
01:30:17,339 --> 01:30:13,690
Greece with my good our good buddy Peter

2129
01:30:19,649 --> 01:30:17,349
Robbins yes you a group in Athens that

2130
01:30:21,919 --> 01:30:19,659
is I encourage people it's called

2131
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:21,929
contact with space if you are in Europe

2132
01:30:27,180 --> 01:30:24,880
if you can get to Athens we will be

2133
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:27,190
there in early June could go to my

2134
01:30:32,459 --> 01:30:29,020
website I've got this linked Richard

2135
01:30:35,010 --> 01:30:32,469
Dolan press comm I'll be in Roswell

2136
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:35,020
after that and I'll be at MUFON in Las

2137
01:30:40,379 --> 01:30:38,530
Vegas at the end of July and I imagine

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that'll be an interesting panel I can

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only imagine well rich I couldn't have

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asked for a better first interview we

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really ran the gamut I hope people

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enjoyed it and I can't thank you enough

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for coming on with me today for

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somewhere in the skies Ryan you were

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really nice to me you just let me roll

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the hey man you do to work with this

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that was the plan from the beginning it

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was really nice being on your show and I

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think it's gonna be really successful

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and I just want to say on your behalf

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the book you wrote somewhere in the

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skies I consider one of the best books

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of the decade in this field what I like

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what you did is you I think there was a

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real lack of books about experiencers

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direct sightings and experiences of the

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UFO phenomenon

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you know the the people who did

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abduction books had had been doing this

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but my sense is that there's a lack of

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these books out there and and you don't

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have to do this through abduction

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01:31:44,430 --> 01:31:43,090
research or hypnotic regression you can

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do it as a journalist as you have done

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and so you um you're getting people's

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01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:50,800
stories and this is really valuable

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because it's it's so important for us to

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understand the human aspects of this

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phenomenon how it affects us the

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inexplicable nature of what people are

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01:32:06,330 --> 01:32:05,050
dealing with and I really like the way

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01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:06,340
you did this book it's a very

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01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:09,490
well-written book it's engaging and it's

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filled with interesting ideas which is

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01:32:13,650 --> 01:32:12,400
what makes any book interesting if it

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01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:13,660
doesn't have interesting ideas and why

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bother

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yours is interesting in that way and I

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really feel it's a great service that's

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why I was proud to publish it and I want

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everyone to know that this is an

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01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:23,710
excellent book and they should they

2183
01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:25,690
should buy it they can read it well

2184
01:32:30,660 --> 01:32:28,060
thank you I was not expecting that but I

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I highly appreciate that coming from you

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um and yeah I hope everyone can someday

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realize that no matter what's at the

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core of these phenomena it's it's the

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humans that matter most so thank you

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humans and yeah we should be interested

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01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:46,000
how does it affect us and I like the way

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you go about it in your book thank you

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01:32:53,130 --> 01:32:49,330
so much and again thank you for joining

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us my pleasure Ryan all right guys that

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is it for the first episode of somewhere

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in the skies if you liked today's show

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01:33:02,430 --> 01:32:59,370
please consider sharing it on Facebook

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Twitter and wherever you see fit please

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01:33:08,010 --> 01:33:05,170
also consider subscribing rating and

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01:33:10,260 --> 01:33:08,020
reviewing the show on iTunes it really

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does help so thank you once again for

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joining me and I'll see you here next

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Monday remember keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching sometime